[sac-forum] Re: Fw: Meeting Notification: MAG Dark Sky Stakeholders Group, April 19, 2011
- From: Howard Anderson <handy13@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:47:31 -0700
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Hi,
I just talked with Jami Garrison who chairs the "MAG Dark Sky
Stakeholders Group".
(Maricopa Association of Governments (MAG). Sort of an advisory group I
think.)
The purpose of the group is to create a document that will serve as a
template for
various Maricopa County agencies if they ever decide to change their
lighting ordinances.
The current draft template is "MAG Draft Pattern Outdoor Lighting Code"
where the
word "pattern" means "template."
This group discussion was started by the astronomy community in Arizona
hoping
to make progress on reducing light pollution or at least holding the
line on it to
some extent.
Tomorrow's meeting will feature the opposing side, i.e., the promoters
of more
light for billboards, parking lots, stores, etc.
The meeting will consist of presentations by (presumably) the lawyers
representing
these groups.
Lots of relevant documents at:
http://www.azmag.gov/Projects/Project.asp?CMSID=1082
under "Resource Library", "Resources". Documents essentially showing
what the
speakers will be addressing.
The meeting is apparently (from what I gathered in discussion with Jami)
somewhat
informal with opportunities to question and comment on the issues.
It would be good if more of us could show up at the meeting tomorrow:
Tuesday, 19 April 2011, 1:30 PM
Saguaro Room 2nd Floor
302 North 1st Avenue, Phoenix
Parking available "under" the building from one-way 1st avenue street
according to Jami. Parking will be "validated" by Jami.
In discussion with Jami, I have discovered that billboards have totally
separate
rules "controlled" by a totally separate process and set of laws.
Also street lighting has totally separate rules "controlled" by totally
separate
processes and sets of laws.
Also this "pattern" or "template" that will emerge from these
discussions will not be
binding on anyone. It will merely be another document that various
municipalities
can take into account if and when they ever get around to revising or
adopting
lighting ordinances. I'm sure the lawyers will jump all over any
municipalities
that ever get around to lookiing at this.
I plan to attend the meeting.
However, I think the cause is hopeless. Sorry for that opinion, but the
lawyers
are employing fear tactics, i.e., if lighting ordinances are changed, your
business will go broke either because of the high cost of changing your
lights - $70,000 for a gas station, or because people will not be able
to find your
business or etc.
Thanks,
Howard Anderson
Jennifer Polakis wrote:
The next Maricopa Association of Governments Dark Sky meeting is on
Tuesday April 19th at 1:30, N.W. corner of 1st Ave and Van Buren, the
Light Rail stops across the street and there is also parking under the
building.
Please make every possible effort to attend this and future MAG Dark
Sky meetings; we need to even up the representation of those
advocating for a dark sky and the lawyers representing those who would
like to make a 24 hour daytime sky.
Hope to see you there!
Jennifer Polakis
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Subject: Meeting Notification: MAG Dark Sky Stakeholders Group, April
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Association of Governments Dark Sky Stakeholders Group.
The next meeting of the Dark Sky Stakeholders Group is scheduled for
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm in the Saguaro Room on the 2nd
floor of the MAG Offices, 302 N 1st Ave, Phoenix. The agenda packet
may be downloaded from the link here
<http://www.azmag.gov/Events/Event.asp?CMSID=3609>.
Please do not reply to this email. It will not be delivered to MAG.
Kindly direct any questions about the agenda to Jami Garrison at (602)
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Thanks,
Howard, in Tempe AZ
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