Paul, et al; Ya know, November is also a great idea. We would get away from the whole--Messier Marathon then Sentinel or vice versa discussion. It is also a great time to get a look at all those Winter goodies as the night progresses. Certainly cool and comfortable observing. Have one year with two star parties and then consistently have only one with New Moon November as the general time for Sentinel-Schwaar. That sounds like a fun plan to me. Think it over for the meeting and we can discuss it. Steve stevecoe@xxxxxxxxx Author: Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist Saguaro Astronomy Club web site: www.saguaroastro.org