Steve, I, myself like the idea. A few things that I think need to be considered: 1. The SAC Constitution prohibits acquisition of real property in excess of $100 (May be $200, too lazy to look it up for sure). This would limit us to some sort of lease agreement with yourself & Rosie as owners of SHO. 2. The bigger issue would be one of, you guessed it, insurance. How much liability are you willing to risk? How Much is the club willing to risk? How would Insurance coverage be apportioned and whose would be primary, yada yada yada. I think this would certainly be an issue in which we would need legal counsel to insure all aspects are addressed. Just a few things that pop up right off the top of my head. Clear Skies Rick Tejera Editor SACnews Saguaro Astronomy Club Phoenix, Arizona www.saguaroastro.org saguaroastro@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve D. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 14:22 To: SAC Board Subject: [sac-board] A Unique opportunity Board Members, et al, On Tuesday March 11, 2008, I received an email from a Robert Mason in which he offered ?an older model? refractor be donated to SAC. He?d offered it to a local school and they were not interested. They suggested he look online for local clubs, and he found SAC. I told him SAC would be delighted to accept it, and it could be used as a loaner scope. We arranged for him to deliver it to my work on Thursday afternoon. When he arrived, I was astonished to discover the telescope in question was not a smallish type as I expected, but a full-blown Meade 127mm ED APO, complete with LXD 600 head, GOTO, eyepieces, finders and basically everything suitable to outfit a small observatory, except for a laptop to run it all. An inventory list is appended. Even has the instruction manual. I set it up Thursday night in the rolloff at S.H.O. for a quick checkout and it seems to work flawlessly. Wonderful optics, fair mount, great EP?s. Haven?t tried the GOTO yet, but I?ve never had one, so there?s a learning curve there. Now, having had the ?OMG! What am I supposed to do with this now?? moments, it?s obvious this can not be a loaner scope. Rosie and I put our heads together and came up with an idea that I?d like to run by you, and later the membership. As the Saguaro Astronomy Club is a not-for-profit organization, an asset like this setup adds significantly to its net worth. It is my feeling that this needs to be offset. What I propose would be for SAC to found and fund an observatory building to house this telescope setup, as well as the Pierre Schwaar binocular chair, for the use and enjoyment of SAC members and any novice groups or organizations serving private and public entities for the purpose of advancing astronomy awareness and education. Such institutions would include, but not be limited to Boy and Girl Scouts of America, Boys and Girls clubs, church youth groups and the general public that may show interest through SAC?s or other?s outreach programs, such as EVAC, PAS, Arizona Science Center, etc. I would be delighted to volunteer the space needed for such an observatory, as much of the infrastructure is already in place, and indeed falls in to my inaugural address to increase SAC?s footprint on public outreach and education. I would cover design, inspection and general contracting, if SAC would be willing to cover material costs in the neighborhood of $2500. (I built the original rolloff roof observatory for ~$1000, without a concrete pad, and the cost of the dome reconstruction was similar.) Much of the design for a suitable building is already complete, as I?ve been anticipating a new building for Pierre?s chair for some time, it?s just a matter of modifying it to accommodate the 127mm ED instead of the C8. A full construction cost analysis can be completed as soon as interest is gauged, but I believe the above to be ?ball park?, considering past experience. I feel strongly Stone Haven Observatory would be a nearly ideal location for such a structure, given its location on a relatively dark site, proximity to Phoenix, security and availability of skilled operators. The costs after completion would be minimal, if any, as they would fall into the category of regular S.H.O. maintenance schedules. I also feel strongly that SAC should think about doing something worthwhile with the moneys it has accumulated. It may appear on the surface that my motivation is one of personal windfall, but those of you that know me will know this not to be the case. Having invested in restoring and now reinventing Pierre?s chair with no requests for compensation should make this clear. My motivation is to create a comfortable environment for others to become exposed to all the night sky has to offer, without the need for monetary investment. If SAC members want to do some observing without hauling all their own equipment out, maybe even during the week, there?s a place they can do that. If someone wants to practice imaging a spurious event, such as an asteroid occultation or shadow transit or comet, they?re more than welcome. If they had friends or family visiting from out of town and wanted to show them what they do on the weekends, we?d be ready at a phone call. The idea being, there?d be a central place to practice astronomy with a minimum of hassle or personal investment. It would be a decent place to hold novice meetings at nearly any time. If Steve Coe could not attend, there would be others that could. Stone Haven already has a variety of telescopes to display and use for instruction. So, let the discussion begin. I?m sure there are many things I have not thought of that need discussion, both positive and negative. Things I may not be aware of as per legalities of the donation itself and so on. I?ve only put forth the idea, and if you think it could work, great. If not, give a reasoned argument and we can drop it. Let?s hear it. Steve Dodder President, Saguaro Astronomy Club Director, Stone Haven Observatory fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.stargazing.net/Astroman Bob Mason Donation to SAC Meade 127ED 5? F/9 Apo OTA Electric focuser Meade LXD 600 EQ head Meade Field Tripod Vixen 60mm F/15 OTA. 1 5/8? ID to 7/16? OD adaptor? Celestron 8x50 Polaris finder scope w/o caps w/illuminated 90º reticle EP Incl. T-slot mounting rings Meade 8x50 finder scope straight through w/caps 2? diagonal w/1.25? adapter Compass Angle gauge (wixie) 2-3.75? mounting rings (For Vixen 60mm?) Meade 7mm Ortho EP-Research Grade 1.25? Meade 15.5mm Ortho EP-Reasearch Grade 1.25? Misc empty EP cases, filter boxes, EP caps Bag of bolts, allen wrenches Box of misc extender tubes, camera adapters Another camera adapter-Nikon? Phillips Webcam Pro USB Meade 9mm Illuminated Reticle EP w/cable Meade 28mm Ortho EP-Research Grade 2? filter set Skyglow #25 Red #80 Blue 13% Moon Lumicon Deep Sky 1.25Filter sets Lumicon UHC 10% ND Orion V-Block Red Orange Dark red Yellow Blue 2? 56mm Meade Super Plossl 1.25?Lumicon diagonal (Vixen?) 2.4?DakinBarlow Orion 5mm Illuminated reticle 1.25? EP Meade 12mm illuminated reticle 1.25?EP Vixen 2.5mm LV 1.25? EP Vixen 10mm LV 1.25? EP Meade 26mm 1.25? Super Plossl Meade 9.7mm 1.25? Super Plossl Polaris setting plate for finder scope LX 200 Controller V2.5 _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/