Here are some price comparisons: 1959/1960: Zeiss Ikon Contarex Cyclops body $499 Nikon F body $375 Canon Canonflex $300 1968/1971: Zeiss Ikon Contarex SE body $775 Nikon F2 $550 Canon F1 $495 Sure, the Contarex offered a lot more, but the working pro went for the dependable and less-expensive camera. In addition, Nikon offered bullet-proof service for pros. If you had a shoot in Laramie, Wyoming, and needed a certain lens for that shoot, well, Nikon would lend you one, and all you had to do was to visit the nearest Nikon dealer and, voila!, your lens would be on hand. If your camera was giving you fits, they would lend you another to see you through. Zeiss Ikon -- and Rollei and Leitz -- regarded this as so much coddling but it is why the US professional market shifted from Zeiss Ikon and Rolleiflex and Leica gear in the 1950's to Nikon and Canon in the 1960's. =20 Leitz and Zeiss Ikon owned the scientific community and to a large degree, Leica and Zeiss still do so today, as they will whump up any optical goody you desire at a stiff premium which your grant provider pays. But, for the general market, the Germans lost it when they quit serviicing the professional photographer. Marc msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir! NEW FAX NUMBER: +540-343-8505 --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list