Noooo. That was the BATFE who was told that rocket motors were not explosives by the courts. Not the DOT. /sarc off Jim -----Original Message----- From: roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dok Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:26 AM To: lmbrand@xxxxxxxx; JACK GARIBALDI Cc: Roc Chat; Aeropac Members; TCC -Chat; Tripoli San Diego List Serv Subject: [roc-chat] Re: [Tripoli-SD] Re: Fw: URGENT NOTICE FROM AEROTECH I thought we prevailed too or is one more back door opening for them . Mark Dok Hanson C 715-533-9521 H 715-695-3154 NAR L3CC - TRA TAP Dokrocket.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmbrand@xxxxxxxx> To: "JACK GARIBALDI" <JackGaribaldi@xxxxxxx> Cc: "Roc Chat" <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Aeropac Members" <aeropac-members@xxxxxxxxxx>; "TCC -Chat" <tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Tripoli San Diego List Serv" <tripoli-sd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: [Tripoli-SD] Re: Fw: URGENT NOTICE FROM AEROTECH > WTF??? Shipped as "Explosives"?? I thought we prevailed in our Federal > litigation over planned regs that wrongly classified APCP as an explosive. > APCP is not an explosive. And I thought BP Estes motors were long > grandfathered out of the Explosives category. Do I have this right, or is > this about shipping motors/reloads together with ignitors as part of > single product packaging, because I do recall some ignitor controversy > ongoing with the Feds. > > Larry B. > > > > >> I wanted to pass this on to everyone >> >> Jack G >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: AeroTech Customer >> Service<mailto:customerservice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: All CA & HP Dealers<mailto:customerservice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:40 AM >> Subject: URGENT NOTICE FROM AEROTECH >> >> >> Dear AeroTech Product Representative: >> >> >> Urgent Notice - Your Immediate Action Is Needed, Send Your E-Mail By >> October >> 10, Help preserve your rights regarding model rocketry. >> >> >> Dear AeroTech Customer, >> >> >> Many people are concerned with new government regulations that seem >> destined >> to limit our freedoms as well as those that affect our hobbies. You may >> have >> heard of some recently that affect various hobbies. >> New regulations are being considered regarding model rocket motors. >> This may not immediately impact your access to model rocket materials but >> it's just another step toward more restrictive regulations concerning our >> hobby and deserves your attention. >> The US Department of Transportation (DOT) has recently advised that they >> propose to terminate a special permit under which model rocket motors and >> igniters have been shipped for the last 33 years. If the permit is >> terminated model rocket motors and igniters will no longer be able to be >> shipped as "Flammable Solids" and will instead have to be shipped as >> "Explosives." >> In 33 years there have been no incidents involved in the shipping and >> transporting of model rocket motors and igniters. >> The model rocket industry needs your support in order to continue to make >> our product available. Attached is a sample e-mail that we request you >> send >> immediately to express your support. >> We believe that shipping model rocket motors and igniters as "Explosives" >> would only cause unnecessary concern for hobby shops, educators, youth >> group >> leaders and families using model rockets for educational and recreational >> purposes. >> If you believe as we do, please send an e-mail to the Department of >> Transportation no later than October 10, 2011. To assist you, here is a >> sample e-mail: >> -- >> TO: specialpermits@xxxxxxx<mailto:specialpermits@xxxxxxx> >> Subject: DOT-SP 7887 Show Cause Response >> Dear Associate Administrator, >> The purpose of this e-mail is to request that DOT-SP 7887 be kept in >> force >> as written. The Special Permit, previously DOT-E 7887 has been in place >> since 1978 and is used by many of us who enjoy hobbies including model >> rockets, motors and igniters. >> To my knowledge, there has never been an incident involving the shipping >> and >> transporting of model rocket motors and igniters. Further I believe that >> shipping these products as "Explosives" will create unnecessary fear and >> difficulty for those handling, transporting, receiving, storing, selling >> and >> using these products. >> After 33 years of use, the termination of the Special Permit is >> unwarranted >> and possibly damaging to an educational and recreational product that has >> an >> excellent record. In closing, I again request the Special Permit be kept >> in >> place as written. >> - Your Name and Address >> -- >> Please take a few minutes to send your e-mail today! >> Thank you very much for your support of model rocketry. >> >> >> --- >> Sincerely, >> >> >> RCS, Inc. >> AeroTech Division >> 2113 W 850 N >> Cedar City, UT 84721 >> Ph: 435-865-7100 Ext. 104 >> Fax: 435-865-7120 >> Email: customerservice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> _______________________________________________ >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 6498 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6498 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- ROC-Chat mailing list roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx //www.freelists.org/list/roc-chat -- ROC-Chat mailing list roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx //www.freelists.org/list/roc-chat