[roc-chat] Re: Controlled launch and landing of a model rocket using thrust vectored F class motors

  • From: Cris Erving <cris.erving@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 15:14:58 +0000

Interesting technologies for sure, but limited use in hobby rocketry for 
several reasons...

1) The TVC to keep the rocket going straight up only stabilizes the rocket if 
the motor is burning.   That means long-burn motors, which have lower average 
thrust than "normal" motors with a shorter burn time.   That constrains the 
weight significantly, which is a problem considering all of the extra weight 
required to make it work.   All of the TVC's that I've seen have been with 
relatively small model rocket motors, with a short coast phase.   If you look 
at the video of the TVC in action, it's moving like crazy... that's not what 
you want to be seeing for a control system.  Any R/C flyers out there?   You 
know what I mean...

2) Retro rockets for braking are certainly doable, but if you want to land with 
one it has to be throttleable... not gonna happen with solid fuel motors.   In 
the video, the rocket stops a few feet short of the ground, starts to lift off 
again, then ends up on it's a** ass the retro motor burns out.   You also need 
to be able to cut it off right when you hit the ground.

3) Having a lit motor intentionally coming down ballistic probably breaks 
NAR/TRA rules... it's not explicitly there, but it's certainly not in the 
spirit of The Code.   You'll notice that Joe isn't doing this at a sanctioned 
launch.

Eggtimer Cris


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From: roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf 
of Evan McCarthy <evan.mccarthy@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:52 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [roc-chat] Controlled launch and landing of a model rocket using 
thrust vectored F class motors


I came across this youtube video of a flight of a model rocket that is fully 
controlled to do a vertical takeoff and landing using two F class motors and 
just had to share.

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The rocket includes:

  *   Flight controller with associated sensors
  *   Reaction wheel
  *   Thrust vectoring mount for the rocket engines
  *   4 high speed cameras on board
  *   900 MHz radio data link
  *   GPS
  *   Emergency actively deploy-able parachutes
  *   Actively deployed landing legs

This is my first post to this list, so please let me know if I should not be 
sharing this sort of content here.

Evan


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