Hey Chris, Until not so long ago, I've had good work with toshiba/samsung (tss corp), but they've been putting out some weird stuff lately. My personal drive choice is lite-ons for now. Sony's are loud, and lg's have tray issues sometimes. Now when you say lower than 16x, do you mean for writing discs? It could be the software you're using, with IMGBurn, I can lower it to whatever, and the discs write at that speed. My lite-ons here at least write at 8x. I burn discs for a variety of applications, and I've never heard of issues with them; I use Verbatim cd's and dvd's for work though. Most systems I've built to this day use lite-on, some others use samsung, and none of the lite-on users have complained about their drives on their systems; these are computers from your basic home rig, office machines, gaming tower, daws and servers. I used a Sony once, it was loud, but good; but you have to pick and choose wisely. Some are good at reading, but suck at wriing, others are the opposite; laser pint technology is out there, these drives just haven't implemented it well. Chipsets do matter, there are a few made by NEC that are supposedly king of the hill, have to look them up, but I think lite-on uses them often. HTH, D!J!X! -----Original Message----- From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:26 AM To: realmusicians-freelists.org Subject: [realmusicians] find good optical drives for burning audio cds Well, I've come to the conclusion that these samsun drives, the cd burners anyway just don't cut the mustard when burning audio cds. I get buffer underrun errors avoided by nero, and issues with disks not playing in older cd players, unaviodable in some cases no matter what you do, but the deal is is that most of these newer burners won't go down below 16x. I have the king daddy plextor px716 a in an external version, and in many circles that's consider the cadalac of burners, but I need to find some other drives that do well at burning audio cds that play well in old nd new players alike as much as possible. does anyone know of available drives that go down below 16x? I picked up a memorex drive, normally I wouldn't buy one, but the tech at the store was very nice and spent a lot of time with me, but he gave me a bum steer, it won't go below 16x either, but it may according to my prelim tests do better at recording audio cds even at this fast rate because I have a cranky cheap cd players that's old and it's sort of my test machine, if cds will play in that old thing, then it's likely they'll play in most players. the folks I deal with, lots of church folks sometimes tend not to have the latest stuff, you know the old church with the board that's been there for 30 years, and they finally got donated a cd deck from the 90s, still good, but old. I need to be able to be as close to 100 percent on this stuff as I can. so what burner recommendations can you guys make? Yes, I've done gone through the media shuffle, I have tayo udyne disks, cmc magnetic disks, made by verbatim, and also cmc magnetics are branded by other manufacturers too, you can't tell by brand names who really makes the disks, you have to read the code some software like imgburn, nero, and other programs will tell you who really made the disk. But burning speed I think still ploays a part, and I've read all the stuff about constant angular velocity, riting strategies, and well, nobody agres on this stuff, it's kind of a crap shoot, but surely every drive out there isn't 16x or nothing unless you want to go higher? I've heard that there are two different chip sets in most drives nec and something else, and I read someplace the new lg burners will still go down to 8x. so Djx, you probably do more system building than anyone else on here, but others experiences welcome too, what drives do you guys have luck with? I want more of these plextor px716 drives they makethem in sata pata and usb firewire, but though they're talked about, everywhere seems to be out of them. I'm going to send some test cds to some folks from this meorex drive to see how they work out, but we're all faced with this problem, because when our old drives wear out, any of us doing duplication will need to replace with something that will work everywhere. And there's just enough of these older cd players around to still make it a concern. so let's see how close to 100 percent we can get for all our sakes. For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit us at www.affordablestudioservices.com or contact Chris Belle cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or Stephie Belle stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx for customized web design