Unfortunately, there are some misuses of speech that we can't do a whole lot about, and I believe that this may be one of them. A friend of mine who posted the message that I posted on this list actually subscribed to the list to see what it was about, then unsubscribed after writing directly to the owner. Here is his reply to her. It speaks for itself. I'm not terribly concerned with my reputation in the blind community. I'm providing blind people a place to say those politically incorrect things they want to say to others in the blind community. I am a blind person as well. In addition, we don't want to discriminate, so if we see other sighted people being idiots, we want to hear about them too. Names of these people aren't required, of course, but sometimes they come up. The group description was written intentionally to make sure that those of the faint of heart, and those with tender sensibilities do not subscribe. Most reaction to the list has been from the description, rather than the content, which demonstrates that the concept of a book being judged by it's cover is not dead. I was hoping that the blind community had more sense. I should have known better. Thanks for writing. Nancy Van Sandt The MaxVan Menagerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Reginald George To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: [real-eyes] Re: for your information. Thanks for posting this to the list Nancy. That is really jacked up. I wondered when all this democracy out here would be used to hurt people. The scary thing is, I know folks that would love a list like this. What a wonderful use of computer time, causing other people pain, not! Folks love to flame others from the safety and anonymity of their homes but, they will be judged if they throw stones like this. Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy VanSandt To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 30 April 2006 Sunday 6:09 PM Subject: [real-eyes] for your information. Hi everybody, I just received this on another list and thought that you should know about it. I don't know if there is anything that can be done about this, but it's really bad. Here is the message. Hi all. Are you all aware that on yahoogroups, there is a group called blind-tard. This group is specifically to denegrade, trash and otherwise insult blind people. I was told about it and went to investigate it. I have been told that there are blind people who have gone to investigate this and have written to yahoogroups, so I thought I'd pass this on in case you were so inclined. I have already sent some feedback to yahoogroups myself. Below is how this group advertises itself. You can find it yourself on yahoogroups. It's quite despicable. Welcome to the Blind Tards yahoo group. Have you ever had to deal with a stupid blind person? Someone so stupid they deserve to be on your better off dead list? Have you seen someone who has the social grace of a pet rock, the brains of a giant sea turtle, and the common sense of a sunbather in the antarctic? Well, here's the place to tell the world. We would encourage you to change names where appropriate, but if you don't, then we're not responsible for any backlash. We don't give a rat's a$$ ...( Nancy Van Sandt The MaxVan Menagerie