After spending some time last night fine-tuning the alignment, I test rode the new bike this morning and I think that the pivot angle is just too small. The front ends falls/turns rather easily side to side and the response to steer is _very_ slow. I could not possibly turn the front fast enough to bring the bike back under the center of gravity once it started going over. It would probably be ridable at higher speed, but not starting out, or any low speed. wheelbase: 131cm pivot: 59.5 trail: 23cm seat height: 27cm BB height: 52cm http://rjs.org/gallery/python_1.jpg I attached handlebars to the seat tube, but they only helped a little and added mass to the front end, which increases flop. (I clamped the old steel seat post back into the cut-off tube upside down; the 1" handlebar stem fit inside the post perfectly.) I'll next increase the angle to ~64 degrees and shorten the wheelbase 1-2cm at the same time. Trail will increase to ~25cm. It is very comfortable, though :-) Ray ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist at freelists.org Listmaster: Juergen Mages jmages@xxxxxx ============================================================