[pure-silver] Re: The Pure silver list
- From: "Geoff Taylor" <geofftaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:54:18 +0100
Jim.
Exactly! Well said.
Geoffrey.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brick" <jim@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:11 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] The Pure silver list
> As of now, there are 130 subscribers to pure-silver@freelists.
>
> I have a suggestion. Instead of using the pure-silver list to talk about
> whether or not we should use or not use pure-silver@freelists, why don't
we
> simply use it for its intended function - talking about photography.
>
> If it becomes a problem, such as crashes, bounces, ads, or other
> annoyances, then we can move in-mass to one of the user based servers that
> keep being discussed, but never appearing. If someone has a server, high
> bandwidth connection, suitable mail list software, and the time to set it
> up, get the word out, explain how it works, etc, then everyone will indeed
> listen to you. But I don't see anyone raising their hand saying "I have it
> all in place and I'm ready to take over the list."
>
> Moving a list takes a lot of time and work. I jumped on freelists because
I
> have had a years worth of good service. Zero problems. And I do not have
to
> manage the hardware and software.
>
> We, the BRICK family, own our own mail server and have a direct connection
> (via something my oldest son set-up) to the Internet, that is, we don't
> have an ISP. My son is the IT manager of one of a large gene lab and has a
> plethora of people and hardware connections. We are our own ISP. My son
> basically runs our ISP and mail server and runs a couple of e-mail lists
on
> this server. I could very easily set-up Pure Silver on this server, but as
> my son says, dealing with all of the spam is a giant problem. He has
> several layers of protection in place and we still get hit. So whomever
> takes it upon themselves to host the pure-silver list, has to be prepared
> to deal with the millions of spam and virus attacks.
>
> From my experience with freelists.org, their spam and virus filters do a
> magnificent job. On the Leica list (LEG) we have had zero spam/virus
> problems. Which bodes well for freelists.org. Below is what Tim said at
the
> outset of this venture:
>
> quote
> "Why? Because the aggravation is no longer worth the effort. Let me vent
> for a moment here, while acknowledging that this is not the fault
> of most of the subscribers. Here is what I deal with daily:
>
> 1) A flood of spam directed at the lists.
> 2) Bounced email because people don't check their accounts frequently
enough.
> 3) Bounced email because people switch accounts without changing their
> subscriptions.
> 4) The usual parade of subscription/unsubscription requests.
> 5) Messages from people who cannot be bothered to read the FAQ.
> 6) Messages from people who are very lost and need help learning to
> use the internet and/or their PC.
>
> IOW, my email account is flooded with nonsense, a good part of which
> is entirely avoidable if people would just exercise a bit of judgement.
> Dealing with all this is time consuming and largely a waste of my
> bandwidth, and I am disinclined to do so any more."
> unquote
>
> Freelists.org removes much of the above hassle. No spam flood. Web
> interface to allow you to set you own preferences. Bounces handled by
> freelists, not me. Likewise with 99% of all of Tim's complaints, etc. The
> only problem is if someone goes on a political or religious rampage. Which
> can be easily and permanently fixed. Both the Leica list (LEG) and
> pure-silver is rarely abused by tyrants.
>
> So... why not just sit back, use freelists.org for awhile, see how it
goes,
> and if some problems are unsurmountable, or if everyone is unhappy, well,
> someone can implement another plan. The key word being "implement."
>
> :-)
>
> Jim
>
>
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