Bob, are you using sensitometry to determine the shoulder of the Tri-X or are you interpreting that it has a shoulder based on a print? If the latter, are you seeing the differences between Arcos and Tri-X on the same paper? I'm not sure you can totally compensate starving due to dilution merely by using larger volumes of developer. In my 4x5 protocol, I doubled the volume of Rodinal 1:50 in the tube to compensate for starving (of FP4 especially) and it didn't get me much closer to the predicted density--I mean it was WAY off. This was most obvious on the N+2 and N+3 protocols. I had no such problems after I switched to D76 1:1. I like Rodinal, so I may go back and try it at 1:25. You might try Ralph's suggestion to try 1:1 to rule out that effect. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Randall" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Shoulder and highlight > On 12/31/04 2:21 PM, "DarkroomMagic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> I use D76 at 1+1 and have no trouble. Could it be that your dilution of >> 1+3 >> starves the highlights of TriX, flattening the shoulder in the process? > > I think I use too much volume to be starving the highlights. I like your > comment about the rolling shoulder against the straight line curve, very > helpful wording. > > Thanks, > > Bob Randall > > ============================================================================================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.