[pure-silver] Re: Rumors Of Film's Death Are Vastly Exaggerated

  • From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:32:10 -0700


----- Original Message ----- From: "titrisol" <titrisol@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Rumors Of Film's Death Are Vastly Exaggerated


noise? I think that makes no sense.
Since the images are made by sikver grains is a more accurate representation of reality!

Noise is actually a pretty good way to describe the effect of grain. It is an essentially random pattern convolved with the desired image. The relationship of grain with noise dates to the earliest use of photographic sound recording. There the grain pattern results in "ground noise" or the background hiss. Of course, grain also affects resolution and in photographic sound recording the film is being pushed about to its resolution limit. Kodak has a good treatice on graininess and granularity, which are not the same thing. Its probably still on their web site. The measurement of graininess is beset with the problems of lack of standards. Kodak has established its own, which are used for the graininess index published with film data. However, its important to understand what is being measured since some statements of graininess can not really be compared with others. Noise in digitally encoded material is quite complex. Much of it is caused by sampling and encoding errors. Digital recording is not continuous, rather it is sampled and encoded as numerical values so that to generate a continuous fuction some interpolation must be applied in the deconding. However, a normal analogue recording of an image on film is also not continuous, rather it is "sampled" by the characteristics of the film grain. The discontinuity is one measure of "noisiness".

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Richard Knoppow
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