According to the msds, Perceptol contains a large amount of sodium bromide 10 - 30% in part B. No mention of sodium chloride. The sodium bromide may act the same as the sodium chloride in Microdol-X or it may not. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:29 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Perceptol ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Justin F. Knotzke" <jknotzke@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Perceptol > On 5/15/05, Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >>=3D20 >> FWIW Kodak Microdol-X is identical. > > Ahh thanks, I didn't know that. > > Anyone know how they compare to XTOL with FP4 ? > > J > > > --=3D20 > Justin F. Knotzke > jknotzke@xxxxxxxxx > http://www.shampoo.ca > FP4 is a film, is there also a developer? Microdol-X and Perceptol are extra-fine-grain developers=20 which employ sodium chloride (plain salt) as the fine grain=20 agent. When used full strength they loose about 3/4 stop of=20 speed by deliver noticeably finer grain than most other=20 developers. When diluted they loose the extra-fine-grain=20 property but deliver normal (i.e. D-76) speed. At 1:3 they=20 become "acutance" developers. Both employ Metol as the=20 exclusive developing agent. For a time the MSDS for=20 Perceptol was in error, showing sodium bromide rather than=20 sodium chloride but its fixed now. There may be small=20 variations in the two commercial products. AFAIK, there has=20 never been a published formula for this type of developer=20 although there are some pretty good guesses. Xtol is a new developer employing a form of Phenidone and=20 Ascorbic acid as the developing agents. It was designed to=20 be environmentally friendly and to be easily mixable from=20 powders in room temperature water. It is successful in the=20 first item, maybe not so much in the second. Xtol has excellent properties as a developer: it has=20 finer grain and higher speed than D-76 and good sharpness=20 qualities. Its downfall is occasional and unpredictable=20 sudden failure. The cause of this problem is not fully=20 known. A freshly mixed batch of developer may work perfectly=20 and develop only weakly a few days later. Many people have=20 never had this problem but I've had it with a five liter=20 package of Xtol mixed maybe six months ago. Within three=20 weeks it began to develop very weakly. I contacted Kodak.=20 They sent me a replacement package very promptly but claimed=20 the problem doesn't exist. Well, I've read enough posts on=20 usenet and on various mailing lists to know that it does=20 exist and is not too rare. This is too bad because otherwise=20 Xtol is an ideal developer. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.