I used Ryuji's DS-10 with good initial success last year and kind of got away from it when I began experiments with some concentrate projects. I wasfalling back on the DS-10 when doing things I didn't dare leave to my experimental things. Just recently, I ran some DS-10/HP5+ tests for plottingcurves (which I hadn't bothered with previously). Both rolls (separate development) exhibited a slight flat spot around Zone 7-8 and I hada slightly longer toe than ideal. By replotting my EI speeds, it appears that I would need to rate it at 160 and back off just slightly on development. I used 11 minutes at 1:0, 68ºF with 2 inversions/minute. Does this square with what others are getting? I was surprised at these results because my negatives at 320 printed quite well with only a slight wish for more shadow detail. I tend to caution on the over-exposure side of decisions so I was likely exposing slightly slower than the 320, though. I'll mix up a new batch and rerun my tests as I noticed a very, very slight dusting of chemical that hadn't gone into solution and I hadn't seen this behavior before. I mix my DS-10 in distilled water. Has anyone tried any BZT or KBr with DS-10? On the 35mm film I was testing with, I measured more fogging than I would like. I know I could answer all of this by just trying it but I'd like to save repeating others' trials if I can. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.