Hi Richard, Your answer was very informative and help me to understand lot. Thank you very much Ibrahim Pamuk -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow Sent: 10 Nisan 2008 Perşembe 12:32 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Condenser envy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ibrahim Pamuk" <ibrahim.pamuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Condenser envy Hi, I understand that Callier effect results as contrast increase. Is it possible to get higher contast due to same approach printing with f/2.8 vs f/22? Regards Ibrahim Pamuk Callier effect takes place before the light reaches the projecting lens. The particles of silver that make up the image scatter some of the light that strikes them. When the light comes from one direction, as it does when a point source or condenser type lamp is used, the scattered light is mostly reflected away from the path to the lens so the density looks greater. When a diffuse source is used the light comes from a wide angle so some of the light being scattered by the particles is reflected away from the path to the lens as above but some of the light is scattered _toward_ the lens, thus increasing the amount of light in the dark areas and lowering the contrast. Since the light rays that make up the image are those directed at the lens the f/stop will have little, if any, effect on the contrast other than optical effects in the lens itself and those don't vary with Callier effect. Again, Callier effect varies with the size of the particles making up the image. The larger the particles the greater the effect. For modern B&W films with silver images the difference between coarse and fine grain films is negligible especially as the emulsions are three dimentional but for color films the effect is in total negligible because the image is made up of very small dye particles which are partially trasparent and don't scatter much light anyway. The usual condenser enlarging head uses a large, diffuse, lamp so the light is partially diffuse. The light focused on the enlarging lens is not completely collimated (i.e., is not coming from a single direction) but is, rather, partially diffuse due to the size and surface of the lamp. So, the Callier effect is such as to increase contrast for silver images somewhat but far from as much as would be the case for either a point source at a distance or a collimated point source. Typical partially diffusing sources, such as those found on Omega and Bessler enlargers is about one paper grade, maybe not even that much. The old Elwood enlarger has a reflector and looks superficially like a diffusion source but is actually similar to the condenser sources above. It uses a very large diffuse lamp in an eliptical reflector with a diffusion light equalizer above the film which acts something like a center filter to reduce the hot-spot at the center. The other glass plates in the thing are plain and are used for heat absorption since the Elwood has a reputation for cooking negatives. Most color heads use an integrator box made of highly diffusing reflecting surfaces and are essentially diffusion sources, but again, for color work the image contrast is not much affected by the type of lamphouse although the contrast of blemishes are. Tests made many years ago show no difference in resolution or edge contrast (acutance) between prints made on diffusion vs: condenser enlargers although there may be an increase when a true point source is used. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.