Becky, I'm sure I'm not typical of those that read this post. I have more science background than photographic (trying to fix that in retirement). I have a masters degree in Image Science from RIT and spent 36 years at EK from building photographic test systems to introducing new B&W papers. I have taught the science side of photography to thousands of people (most at Kodak) but also in 5 countries. You can't imagine how trilled I am in retirement to finally shoot images for myself rather than test targets or Shirley's. (Whoops! I just let a Kodak tidbit secret out of the bag. The first Kodak female model's name was Shirley. Every time someone needed model images, Shirley was called. And we called the process ....get some "Shirley's" on this new film or paper. When a new model came along, with a different face, she was still called Shirley. After almost a hundred years of shooting tests and models there have been a lot of Shirley's. ) You won't believe how boring it is to look at Shirley's. The things Shannon is doing is using an instrument to measure density and a pencil to plot the results. A great learning experience and a lot more precise than "looking " at an image.. Some people have listed the books printed that describe the process. That said. Before Kodak introduced sensitometry and densitometry does anyone know how the manufacturing coating process was tested and controlled???? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: B P To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Are most photographers visual learners... a little OT I know this is a little OT but I read some of the posts on here and just wish I could sit and watch! I'm a visual learner so sometimes I don't catch on to what is being shared on the list. I need to SEE things done. Am I the only one on here that feels lost sometimes? How did all of you learn the things you know? Did you go to school, workshops, sit and watch someone that would let you watch? Yours wanting to sit and watch all of you do your thing, Becky Lynn