Re: two questions: tab groups, and jaws control labeling??

  • From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:32:49 -0700

lol, language differences and I'm spoiled by VB6, ahahahahahahahaha

all I do is put the two items on my form, and then make them touch and wa! la! related and interconnected as far as accessibility is concerned!

if he's working in something that uses what you know gal, than take it! since you know far more about this type of language than I ever will.

take care,
elf
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----- Original Message ----- From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: two questions: tab groups, and jaws control labeling??


Wait a minute -- if you are asking how to tie a label to a control, you can
just use the label xhtml element -- for example

<label for="minutes">Minutes: </label><input type="text" id="minutes"
name="mins" ... />

Just remember the label is linked to the control through the control's id, not its name. An id is different from the name in that the id is supposed to
be unique in the file, whereas the name can be the same for 2 different
controls -- for example, radio buttons are grouped together by having the
same name, which is used by the cgi program to group the buttons.
The id of a radio button is unique and so can have a different label from
the other buttons in its group.

Hope that makes sense.
Is this too low level?
--le

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: two questions: tab groups, and jaws control labeling??


Makes sense, so as long as the label touches the top or left of the control
somewhere it "counts"? What if even a pixel separates the controls?


Have a great day,
Alex
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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: two questions: tab groups, and jaws control labeling??


on the second issue, it is generally done with labels, and the label needs to be just touching the left edge or top of the edit field. so layout is a
distinctly important matter.
with list and combo boxes, many use the first entry to give the
information, since labels do not always announce with these objects.

and the edit field is a standard object with MSAA built in so the
information that screen readers look for is already there; which is
another note, it's better to use standard windows objects, or swt classes
in java, than to use custom objects which need to have there MSAA added in
manually.

HTH,
elf.


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for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
www.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Agemtree
"merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
www.agemtree.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:00 PM
Subject: two questions: tab groups, and jaws control labeling??


Hi all,

I thought it was time to ask a question that actually related to
programming, so here is something that I have not quite understood: what
is a tab group? I see them in html and in GUI languages, but I am not
sure what good they are.

My second, nearly unrelated question: how, in a gui, does jaws know what
to call, say, an edit box? If you had a timer, how would you code the gui
to queue jaws to prompt for hours, minutes, and seconds in the correct
fields? Is this all labels? If so, how important is the format of the
gui; that is, how exact do you have to be in positioning the labels and
inputs so that jaws can know what label goes with what input?


Have a great day,
Alex
New email address: mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
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