Re: teaching a totally blind person to program
- From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:59:32 -0400
Hi Jared,
There was one called SPF PC. That may be one word. I'm not sure. I don't
know who made it. I used it with VERT and ScreenPower in the late 80's and
early 90's.
Jim
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"Jared Stofflett"
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If I had my way everyone who wanted to learn to program would be given a
shiny new T S O ID, the MVS C/C++ programmers guides, the JCL refference
manuals, and a pat on the back before leaving them to there own devices
and seeing how long it took before they went mad. A little part of me
dies in side every time I press control+b in eclipse to build a project
instead of finding the proper JCL member of the dataset I need, opening
it, typing sub in the command field, and using sdsf to figure out what
the hell went wrong this time. I'm also upset that I haven't been able
to find an accessible SPF editor clone for the PC and if anyone knows of
one it'd be appreciated.
Ken Perry wrote:
> Yes but Sina you and I are sick sick people and Lisp is like a cold
medicine
> for the sick.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:02 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: teaching a totally blind person to program
>
> I've had much luck with lisp, for this purpose.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob J.
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:04 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: teaching a totally blind person to program
>
> In my opinion, "the basics of programming" are independent of specific
> languages. The basics of programming are things like input screening,
> output formatting, decision making, flow control, array traversal, etc.
The
> best place to begin experimenting with these concepts is in the command
mode
> of an interpreted language. This gives the beginner the opportunity to
get
> immediate feedback on the results of simple commands without the need to
> produce a completed program or even to create a user interface.
> Unfortunately, I know of no interpreted language that works well with
screen
> readers within the Windows environment!! GWBasic for DOS was the last
easy
> to learn environment that I have seen.
>
> Good luck!!!
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <jhomme1028@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: teaching a totally blind person to program
>
>
> Hi Jared,
> I really think someone can start with notepad. Unfortunately, at first,
> they're going to have to do console applications to keep the learning
curve
> down. You may be able to get along OK with teaching them HTML including
> forms so they can have an interface to work with, then do something like
> PHP, so they can sort of have a GUI, but a smaller learning curve on that
> end since it would be in the browser. I'm not sure which language I would
> start with. It really depends what they want to do with their programs.
This
> kind of question usually starts a religious debate.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jared Stofflett" <stofflet@xxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:17 PM
> Subject: teaching a totally blind person to program
>
>
>
>> I learned to program on a braille lite using basic so my experience
isn't
>> helpful in this instance. What would you recommend to teach a blind
person
>> the basics of programming assuming they have no commandline experience?
I'm
>> thinking staying away from overly complex ides like Visual Studio and
>> possibly Eclipse is a good way to go but then that brings you back to
the
>> commandline which I'd like to avoid to start with. Thanks for any
>> suggestions.
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