I am not sure about the one you mentioned, but there is a download of a zip file full of text tutorials available on my "Jamal's documentation page" on my grab bag site: http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/jamaldoc.html HTH, inthane proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!" www.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Agemtree "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones" www.agemtree.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared Wright To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: programming web site nonvisualdevelopment.org ?? JW On 6/19/2009 3:16 PM, Ryan wrote: Hi I am looking for a web site that had some good programming stuff on it but can not find it. I think it was something like programming with out site. Thanks for any help! Email rmcmanomy@xxxxxxxxx MSN kb9ram@xxxxxxxxx Skype rmcmanomy1079