RE: mods required, RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects

  • From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:26:07 -0400

Hi Sina,
Thanks for helping me remember this. They talk briefly about enums in an 
earlier chapter, then they bring it up in more depth later. I'll have to 
re-read that part.

Jim

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:19 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: mods required, RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects

A flag is nothing more than an enum or other concept introduced within the 
first 5 chapters, if not earlier, depending on the
textbook, of an OO programming book.

Tyler, feel free to show me where this is not true. As in, please point to a 
course on OO, or a textbook on the subject, or some
other accepted source that shows that this is too hard of a concept for 
undergrads or individuals new to OO.

I've taught OO to students at a university level. Have you?

The reason for a two word response is to get the student to ask questions. What 
is a flag? What is an enum? How can I do that? Don't
I need x number of values? Etc, etc.

There's other methods of teaching as well. for example, I could have gone with 
a Socratic method of "well, what do you feel the best
way to represent this would be?", and so on.

Anyways, pedagogy is always interesting to discuss, but I feel it important not 
to mock or minimize it in anyway, especially when it
is delivered sincerely and without any kind of expectation other than to teach.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:21 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: mods required, RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects

sina:
He wants to learn OOP. You just jumped in with flags and everything
else. Lets take this one step at a time. I was not attacking you for
trying to help, I was pointing out that it is a bit to soon to throw in
flags, and your one-line lets use flags for color, is going to be more
confusing to anyone new to OOP than anything else.
On 4/12/2011 8:13 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Two responses
>
> #1: including replies helps put emails in context
>
> #2: Tyler, attacking me or Ken is fine. It's you being your usual self, but 
> please do not ever attack anyone, including myself,
when
> we are trying to help someone else. That's unacceptable.
>
> Very few things push my buttons like people being attacked for helping others 
> learn.
>
> To whomever has the thankless job of moderating this list, I'd appreciate an 
> official response on this please?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:56 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> Yes, because that's exactly what someone new to OOP and the concepts
> behind OOP need.
> Hell, while we're at it, lets code it in machine language so we'll have
> the best performing chess game ever!
>
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Thanks,
Ty

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