Re: iOS development?
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:08:07 -0600
Gps functionality is nothing to sneze at. It's really cool to sit in
a car and hear the names of the streets you are passing and get a real
mental map of where you are going even when you are just with a
sighted friend or familoy member. It's like being able to look out
the window. I've learned more about the layout of my part of town in
the last month and a half or so since I've had Android with its Walky
Talky that I learned in the few years I lived there. I knew the major
streets but the little ones not so much. Now, I've gotten a pretty
good feel for things. I was even able to help my special needs bus
driver (paratransit they call it hereabouts) find my house using my
gps coupled with what I knew about my neighborhood. Talk about
empowering.
The gps isn't the only cool thing on android if you can just get the
phone aprt to act right. The idea of an app that can take an image
from the camera on the phone and then feed it to you tactally through
vibrations on the screen so you can feel the shape of it is pretty
astonishing. One man on the android list was suggesting that it could
be used to look at things like UML. He was going to try and have
someone draw it with a heavy felt pen or something and then get back
to the list with what he found out. Just think of the possibilities.
It's a whole new direction which is being explored. Imagine walking
up to a building you have never been to, taking a picture of it with
your phone and then feeling your way around the face of it and
discovering obstacles you had to find with your cane before then.
This software is still in alpha, I think but it blew me away when I
read about it. So, yes, Talk-back is in need of some work and the
eye-sfree interface is still in need of maturing but it promises to
have some really neat features the other platforms never even thought
of. It's a pity ideas can't be traded back and forth through them. A
screen reader with the review capabilities of mobile speak, gesture
exploration of VoiceOver and haptic feedback of Talk-back would be
truly amazing.
alex M
On 12/16/10, Dale Leavens <dleavens@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sure, but don't you end up with a kludge like Jaws, WindowEyes and the
> software for Nokia devices and come to that, speech on Linux?
>
> I don't mean that I haven't appreciated the access these products have
> provided but I have been buying Jaws since version 2.2 and soft Vert before
> that. I haven't updated my version of Talks and maybe I should have
> purchased the other one for GPS functionality.
>
> I don't mean to suggest android accessibility is a bad thing, now there is
> some for the Blackberry too but until which update or new iteration?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>
>
>> It is mostly because droid is open source. Accessibility software is
>> substantially more difficult to modify on closed systems, as you often
>> need to interact with the real guts of a system to make it work.
>>
>> That's my experience at least,
>>
>> Stefik
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Dale Leavens <dleavens@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I wonder if it is because IOS doesn't need the work? It is part of the
>>> architecture rather than an add-on.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yaa, android isn't perfect; just a suggestion. I think it will be
>>> really great within a few years as well, as they've got some good
>>> folks working for them on this issue (T.V. Raman, if I recall), and
>>> most of the major research groups nationwide are focusing their
>>> attention on droid, as opposed to iOS.
>>>
>>> Stefik
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If your going to develop for the ITouch or Mac you must use itanium if
>>>> your
>>>> doing it on Windows. Now the only way to do that is to use the java
>>>> access
>>>> bridge and NVDA if your using windows 7. The truth is if your coding for
>>>> an
>>>> Apple product you really should have a Mac. Time to ask Santa.
>>>>
>>>> ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:20 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>
>>>> Too bad it is so difficult on Windows, as I do not have the money to
>>>> shell out for even a cheap Mac. I was hoping to offer some accessible
>>>> games for the iTouch line, namely card games and other simple games
>>>> that most sighted people take for granted but that are hard to get in
>>>> an accessible version, especially for the iOS platform.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Using windows is a bb-tch. If however you use the Mac the Tatanium
>>>>> development environment makes it accessible. I saw a post where someone
>>>>> made the interface builder more accessible so you might want to search
>>>>> the
>>>>> archive from this list. I just have not had time to mess with Xcode
>>>>
>>>> lately.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Susan sent the email so if you search probably for susan and
>>>>> interface builder you will get the mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:44 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind
>>>>> Subject: iOS development?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> What is the status of being able to develop iOS apps if one is blind?
>>>>> Uses Windows instead of MacOS? Thanks.
>>>>>
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