Messagethere may be a "pain in the rear" method for doing what is needed, I remember when I took my access class at the college, there was one item in the forms window, a grey square, that had to be clicked to invoke certain functions, and the jaws I had then didn't have any alternative to do this. what I did was I got a sighted person to sit with me looking at the monitor, and I moved my jaws cursor down the screen so it was in line with the thing, found something around that area that the jaws cursor could "see" a graphic on the screen, then hand arrowed the cursor one point over until my assistant said it was in the square and I could left click it with the number pad mouse key. though slow and a pain, you might be able to get to your "arrow" this way if you know anything about jaws scripting, and/or can find out how to get the positional information of the jaws cursor, someone may be able to add it to scripts with a hot key combo so it is useable. HTH, inthane . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hallsworth To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: change default control used when dragging a table column to a c#win form Hi, I think this is a bug in the MSAA implementation of the IDE, as no screen reader can get to it either, never mind the user. The only way you can possibly do this is to copy the controls to the clipboard, ensuring that a form is open, and paste the contents, however it'll be in some table layout form. I asked this very question a few months back, so that's how I was told about this "bug". Hope that helps. Chris Hallsworth BrailleNote mPower user Website: www.chrishallsworth.co.nr ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy B To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: change default control used when dragging a table column to a c#win form Does anybody know how to do this in datasources window? The tutorials always say to click the arrow next to the column name and choose detail, but I cant even get that far... any ideas?