Hi. redid the example and used the standard tool box alt control x, and made the mistake of using the tool box from the tools menu, my fault of course. well, was able to drop controls, able to set properties, and able to write code, debug and compile, and wrote my first application, a hello world application, where i concatanate a message with my name in a text label, and it worked. a web form, when i enter my name and click submit, it shows the message Hello Marvin Hunkin! cool, got it working. just a matter of persistance, patience and a lot of experimentation. cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind