We used to run a simulator but it became a bit of work to keep up. We are going to be running one again on ubuntu9.10 once we move our dev platform over to it. Or once we get it working again if that means on the current Fedora boxes that s fine with me. It's not hard though to develop on two linux boxes mounted to each other which in short is what our dev boxes and the Icon/Braille+ is. What I do is mount my hard drive and flash over to my dev box and it's like developing right on the device. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:09 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems I would also bet that the GNU/Linux solutions like Icon will be more able to provide a way you can code, test, debug a lot of your program on a desktop system (Ubuntu for instance) before adding the platform specific stuff and moving it to the unit. A Pac Mate programmer has a sort of simulator for VisualStudio on Windows but, for all intents and purposes, it is hopelessly inaccessible. I might even guess that Icon has a simulator that would run on the gnome desktop but that's just a guess based on really old information. cdh On Dec 10, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, I was talking about the three popular ones - BrailleNote, Braille Sense and PAC Mate. (Thanks for reminding about Icon though). From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:58 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems This is not true braille plus and Icon can do third party software anything that runs on OE linux and anything someone wants to write in python. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:58 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems Dear programmers and engineers, This is Joseph Lee, a computer science student at University of California, Riverside. The reason for writing this post is to gather your thoughts and opinions about a subject that I think a lot of you would be familiar with. As of 2009, we have numerous blindness PDA's and notetakers on the market, such as BrailleNote from HumanWare, Braille Sense from HIMS/GW Micro and PAC Mate from Freedom Scientific. Off all these products, only PAC Mate allows development of third-party software via SDK's and IDE for Windows Mobile, such as Visual Studio and BASIC4PPC. For other products, there is no SDK for KeySoft (BrailleNote) for individuals and an SDK exists for Braille Sense (in language other than English). As a student, I thought I could use my BrailleNote as a "test platform" to develop programs for KeySoft and practice programming skills with it. However, when I enquired about availability of keySoft SDK (via asking another person to ask for me), the only response was that only companies who shows interest in BrailleNote can consult with HumanWare for writing programs for BrailleNote. A notable example is BrailleNote GPS from Sendero Group. In other words, there is no widely available SDK so that an individual can write external applications for KeySoft (just like Blazie programmers had done and PAC Mate programmers are doing now). While I was thinking about this, I remembered this list, thus deciding to appeal to you as to what should I (and other potential student programmers) who are BN users should do (in order to persuade HumanWare so that an individual can write external software with a widely available SDK for KeySoft). This persuasion, if successful with HumanWare, could work with HIMS/GW Micro to port Braille Sense SDK to English. I thought of this list mostly because we have programmers who have experience with this kind of issue, thus can give us (students and users of these systems) some recommendations as to what we should do. ]Here are the issues at hand: . If we want competetiveness, I believe that an SDK for BrailleNote should be widely available (with a cost) so that individual programmers can develop useful programs for it. . With the availability of this SDK, blind programmers can write programs for the blind - thus giving back to the BrailleNote user community. . In case of an SDK for Braille Sense, if an SDK is available in one language (in this case, Korean), then I believe that it should be available in English as well (where we have more potential for useful external utilities). So I (and others) would like to ask you as to your opinions and recommendations as to what we should do next (as a collective action). Thank you for your considerations. Sincerely, Joseph S. Lee University of California, Riverside No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/10/09 07:36:00