Hi. this is aimed at Jamel, do not have his e-mail address, so here's it goes. when i create a form, and set the text property, and then drop a few controls, when i tab round, it will say for example, say i have 2 buttons, one called Calculate and one called Clear. it will read the buttons, and the tab stops, but i get to a blank area, and when i hit f 4 for properties , it shows me the main form. so was wondering, would be nice, if the script was tweeked, to read the form control or the main form, and say something like when i tab around something like form 1 or in my instance, frmMarvin. just some thing i noticed. and been playing around with table panel layouts, and got it working, and able to drop controls, on more then one panel, and able to change both properties, by going to the applications key, and arrowing down to form designer or form container, i know the form is selected, so i do not get a table panel, inside of a main table panel. that was my problem, in the first place with jaws, not telling me that i was inside another panel. oh, well, that's my experience with layout of controls on a win forms project in visuaql basic. cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind