RE: Quest for the Perfect Text Editor

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:02:57 -0500

If you know what you're talking about fix it.  It is open source.  Do you
remember what that means?  I never said the slow time was great I said it's
a usable tool.  We are waiting for your enlightened fix.  It's one thing to
bitch about a problem.  It's another to fix the problem.  I will mention
that this was and is again the problem with the visual st udio 2005 to 2008
scripts.  We all wine that it don't work but how many of us take the time to
do better or to fix the problems that exist.  If your fix works get it in
Jamal is one of the best at getting peoples fixes in that I know of.  In
fact if you have enough time to spend writing all these complaints you
surely have the time to write a few lines of fix code.

Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:41 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Quest for the Perfect Text Editor

yes. Even -if- I know what I'm talking about. Have you ever bothered 
looking at that code? not to mention the mangling I had to do to get my 
startup time to decrease from 45 seconds, we're using 
microsoft.visualbasic classes for IO. There's little to no docs. I spent 
hours messing with it, I know how frustrating it is. There's a 
difference in reading horrible code and cleanly well-written code. But 
of course, I just don't know what I'm talking about and code here isn't 
the key. What matters as long as it works? We'll just overlook some lag 
that an editor shouldn't experience -at all- for startup. Hell, 3-d 
games load faster. But then again, experience is the key, and I don't 
know what I'm talking about...

On 11/29/2010 9:34 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> I think Jamal experience here is the key.  Even if Tylor knew what he was
> talking about I actually had the word perfect code version 6.1 on my
> computer at one time because I took class from one of the coders.  If you
> want to see any code that is in need of drugs while reading that was one
of
> them.  It was still the best word processor and in my opinion still is.
It
> is like the old argument of which programming language is better the one
you
> can do millions of things in one line or 1 thing in millions of lines.
The
> truth is the best one is the one that gets the job done and that other
> people can get us out of it.  I think I can say for many here that Ed
sharp
> program while not perfect (what program is) is more than useful and I for
> one being a professional prprogrammer who has used it and will use it
again
> am glad you
>   are out there making tools like this.  If I wanted an editor to load
> quickly I would sit down and write it in ASM if I want a tool that can do
> millions of things I would use Dll's to make the program as bug free as
> possible which is exactly what you did it seems.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Littlefield, Tyler
> Subject: Re: Quest for the Perfect Text Editor
>
> Tyler,
> Please let us know when you actually publish a free, open source
> application, including documentation, that people besides yourself find
> worthwhile to use ....
>
> Jamal
>
> On 11/29/2010 12:30 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> It's in edsharp.cs in the edsharp folder. I recommend lots of pain
>> killers before you begin...
>> On 11/29/2010 9:09 AM, RicksPlace wrote:
>>> Hi: Is that .net code? If so is it vb.net or csharp or what? Someone
>>> mentioned .net before but I am not sure about it. I am just interested
>>> a little to see how it was developed.
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>>> <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Quest for the Perfect Text Editor
>>>
>>>
>>>> You -could- write code, but adding to a file of 12k lines with
>>>> minimal documentation and horrible coding is kind of hard to do. I
>>>> had to spend hours to get the thing to not take 30 seconds to start
>>>> up. I like edsharp, but now a lot less so now that I've seen how the
>>>> code under the hood works. It doesn't change that it is a good
>>>> editor, just kind of shines and shows why the problems that exist do
>>>> exist for me.
>>>> On 11/29/2010 4:58 AM, Homme, James wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kerneels,
>>>>> I'm unsure how you'd define the perfect text editor, but in my view,
>>>>> and I've put it through a lot of its paces, EdSharp is my editor of
>>>>> choice. Second choice for me is NoteTab or NoteTab Pro if you want
>>>>> to spend the $29 US. I'd recommend that you do that if you use
>>>>> NoteTab. It has extremely powerful features. But EdSharp talks
>>>>> better out of the box, because it was written for people who are
>>>>> blind. And you can spend the time to customize it the way you want
>>>>> it to work if you are willing to write code that hooks into it,
>>>>> because it offers you most of .Net to play with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
>>>>> accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and
>>>>> accessibility advice
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels
>>>>> Roos
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 4:02 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Quest for the Perfect Text Editor
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>> I'm looking for some great programmer's text editors that are
>>>>> compattible with NVDA and/or JAWS. Since the latest NVDA seems to have
>>>>> some significant improvements over previous versions, I was wondering
>>>>> which text editors might now also become compattible with NVDA. It
>>>>> would
>>>>> actualy be a good idea to setup a few pages with tables comparing how
>>>>> well each editor works with all the diferent screen readers. Such a
>>>>> comparison database would be a great idea for a one stop refernce for
>>>>> many kinds of applications, but I thought the most important one for a
>>>>> programmer is definately a good text editor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would other members on this list be interested in and/or willing to
>>>>> assist in compiling such a database?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it could save a lot of time and effort for all of us if there
>>>>> could be a one stop database with profiles of useful applications,
>>>>> categorised by the job they perform and how well they perform that
job.
>>>>> To start off, it could be limited to apps useful to programmers and
>>>>> text
>>>>> editors in particular.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kerneels Roos
>>>>> Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998
>>>>> Skype: cornelis.roos
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ty
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