Re: Naked Objects - Automatic Web UIs for blind programmers
- From: Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 09:00:48 +0200
Yup, all true.
You can let it generate it for you, and then modify the parts that you
want different.
Still not sure I follow what your exception is with "all those tools" <g> :)
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:09 AM, black ares
<matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> yes, you are right, but
> that mean that you are doing the mapping.
> If you let the tool do the mapping it will do a one on one mapping or
> something like it.
> Because it can not know automaticaly what you want to do in that domain
> model and how far is the domain model from the rational model.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacques Bosch" <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Naked Objects - Automatic Web UIs for blind programmers
>
>
>> Not sure what you mean.
>> One of the main points of ORM tools is that your entity model does not
>> have to be a one to one mapping to the DB.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:22 AM, black ares
>> <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem with all those tools is that very often the business layer
>>> don't
>>> match the database layer one on one, and this is true also for web/window
>>> layer.
>>> Or, if you try to match them one on one you can end with an
>>> unmaintainable,
>>> hard extendable code.
>>> I used hibernate to generate my code after a database schema and I
>>> disliked
>>> it totaly.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerneels Roos" <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Naked Objects - Automatic Web UIs for blind programmers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jacques, definitely something to look into. The advantage of
>>>> tools
>>>> that generate files once as aposed to a dynamic scenario is of course
>>>> speed
>>>> since you compile the generated files.
>>>>
>>>> Once you've learn't how to work this naked objects MVC you could easily
>>>> create an enhanced fruit basket I suppose, with some parent child
>>>> relationships. Have you looked at the CSLA.Net framework? There are
>>>> Codesmith templates that will auto generate all the DAL (data access
>>>> layer)
>>>> classes, and the purely business classes all for you in one go provided
>>>> you
>>>> have set up foreign key constraints in your data model, your SQL
>>>> database.
>>>> Now they claim also to create a sort of admin web or Silverlight GUI,
>>>> but
>>>> Ihaven't managed to do this with the templates at the time I looked at
>>>> them.
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> On 12/2/2010 1:58 PM, Jacques Bosch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>
>>>>> While investigating tools for really rapid application development
>>>>> (RAD) I came across this most interesting framework called Naked
>>>>> Objects MVC.
>>>>> Rather than retyping what it does, here is the 3 line description from
>>>>> the site:
>>>>> "Naked Objects MVC combines the power of the naked objects pattern
>>>>> with Microsoft's ASP.NET MVC 2 framework.
>>>>> Now you can take a POCO domain object model and turn it into a
>>>>> fully-functional web application in minutes, without writing a single
>>>>> line of user interface code.
>>>>> You can then customise the generic user interface by adding custom
>>>>> style sheets, custom views and custom controllers, following standard
>>>>> ASP.NET patterns."
>>>>>
>>>>> The URL is www.nakedobjects.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the UI is dynamically generated from the domain model (classes)
>>>>> a blind developer could write an entire system, or a vast majority of
>>>>> it in C# and not have to worry about creating a UI. I think this is
>>>>> pretty powerful stuff, even for sighted developers. Note, it does not
>>>>> generate a UI to static files, like some other tools do, it in stead
>>>>> dynamically generates the UI at runtime. It therefore reeds to be
>>>>> installed on the server hosting the MVC web application.
>>>>> A developer license costs $399, but there is a fully functional
>>>>> evaluation version that can be used as long as you want. Only when
>>>>> taking it into production would you have to buy a license.
>>>>>
>>>>> This technology has also been matured over quite a few years and has
>>>>> been proven in production.
>>>>> Although I have not yet used Naked Objects myself, the guy behind
>>>>> Naked Objects, Richard Pawson, has been extremely helpful in answering
>>>>> my questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently it does not support AJAX, but seems like they have plans to
>>>>> completely AJAXify the dynamic UI in the next year to make it more
>>>>> performant and snappy for internet based applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also checkout the forums: forum.nakedobjects.net
>>>>>
>>>>> It requires Visual Studio 2010 (or 2010 Express) and .Net framework
>>>>> 4.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I just thought this would be of particular interest to this
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have fun.
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>>>> is nothing in this thing of learning out of books. Here, here and here
>>>> (pointing to his ear, his head and his heart) is your school. If
>>>> everything
>>>> is right there, then take your pen and down with it; afterward ask the
>>>> opinion of a man who knows his business."
>>>>
>>>> (To a musically talented boy who asked Mozart how one might learn to
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