thank you for the updated information and the permission to list the link, as I have told others, "the more places its available from, the more folks that can find it" and no, it doesn't sound simple to me, but then, I myself only play with programming, LOL. good luck, inthane proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!" www.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Stefik To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Most Accessible Programming Environment Elf, Oh, sure thing, I was kidding. The latest trunk can be retrieved from subversion in source code form. The sourceforge project page is here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sodbeans/ Our website is here: http://sodbeans.sourceforge.net/ And with subversion it can be checked out (in source form only right now), using the following command: svn co https://sodbeans.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/sodbeans sodbeans The only detail here is that we haven't put out a binary release yet, as we're still hammering out a number of issues with the compiler, and lots of issues with screen reader compatibility, auditory output, and NetBeans. Still, we've made enormous strides though. As of yesterday, I finally finished writing the technology that allows you to analyze the history of variables in the debugger (using audio), and we finally got functions working in the compiler. Maybe that sounds easy, I don't know, but getting them to work with the audio subsystem (e.g., calling function main, returning from function yo), and getting them to "go backwards" in the debugger --- was a lot of work. So yaa, folks can always download the source and give it a shot in NetBeans, it's just "hardly" perfect right now. What does work is amazingly accessible, but there's still a lot of stuff we haven't finished. But of course, feel free to post stuff on the grab bag, that would be great. And I guess we have over 500 commits now --- time flies I guess. Stefik