I meant its strange to think that mono supports the full set better than .net of .net functionality. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:20 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Mono was: Shell Scripting Info Not strange at all. Novell and Microsoft are allies, are they not? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:17 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Mono was: Shell Scripting Info Nod I should add that mono since 2 has been ahead of Microsoft in supporting the full API Microsoft has been helping them. I know that is strange to hear but its true. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:54 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Mono was: Shell Scripting Info And I almost forgot. For those of you who said that Mono is behind in what version of the .net framework they support, they actually support .net 4.0 projects now. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:24 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Mono was: Shell Scripting Info That’s strange because Novell’s site is still called Novell. They haven’t changed their name, so maybe they were able to acquire new developers, but the issue now is getting those developers to see accessibility as a need in the Mono Framework? And if we get on their case enough, even getting on the mono forums and such like that, then we can get them to see the importance? I say this because I feel that this is a voluntary service that I’m compelled to perform for this community, but at the same time, I can’t do it alone. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roopakshi Pathania Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:59 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Mono was: Shell Scripting Info Except that Mono project practically came to a stop recently after a company called Attachmate acquired Novell, the developers of openSUSE and the force behind Mono. The entire Mono team was laid off, which obviously includes the people working on Mono's accessibility. Anyway, its development has picked up again, but I can't say whether accessibility of Mono applications is going to be a part of Mono development any more or not. You can read the latest on the topic here. http://www.montpellier-informatique.com/predator/en/index.php?n=Main.HomePage <sigh> I sometimes think keeping accessibility features alive on various platforms is like a video game- you have to battle evil monsters, give brownie points to the helpers, and what not along the way. Sent from my Lenovo ThinkPad --- On Tue, 5/17/11, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> wrote: From: DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 7:15 PM If the code works in mono and fails in dot net, please inform the relevant mono email list and provide relevant code so the bug or bugs you found can be squashed. Earlier programming for dot net 2.0 was a good way to ensure cross platform compatibility since mono hadn't gone that far into the later dot net standards yet. That may or may not still be the case. Mono probably will get to work faster using nvda than jaws especially if other members of the windows mono development list also do python since they might be able to help out fixing the source code of nvda to work better with mono if they got interested enough to help out. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:54 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info Actually there is a good reason for using it if you can. Especially if you’re trying to create something you can use on the IPhone, Windows 7 and Linux and have it work the same. What I would do is create it under mono and then when going to distribute for Windows I would test it with .net if it didn’t work under .net then to keep only one source rrepo you would have to use mono to keep it cross platform. So what I am saying if I confused you with that is code everything under mono. Then if it works in .net great if not use mono for cross platform reasons. ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:28 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info *nod*, indeed. But there’s sort of no point to using that on windows, I’d wager? Take care, Sina From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info I was absolutely referring to the Mono Dev environment with JAWS. I installed it, and I couldn’t even touch the menu bar, never mind actually being able to create a project with it. I’ll try it again and then give you more details. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:20 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Shell Scripting Info As per http://www.mono-project.com/Supported_Platforms there is a Windows port of Mono, that might be what she's referring to.On 5/16/2011 10:15 PM, Sina Bahram wrote: You mean the .net development environment on windows? That actually works kind of amazingly well with Jaws. What exactly are you referring to? And with regards to how Orca will handle that. Hmm, that’s an interesting one. I would have to do some research into that. I don’t think Mono is expressed via ATK, so I’m not sure it will read with Orca. Take care, Sina From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:06 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info Okay. Thanks for the info. I wasn’t sure about that. But one thing I know is that Open Suse has the Mono Framework in it by default, and accessibility wise, on windows, it doesn’t really work too well in terms of the dev environment, but how about accessibility with GTK# on linux? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:51 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info Katherine, KDE is making some strong steps towards accessibility, but is hardly there yet. I wouldn’t bother at this time. Take care, Sina From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:38 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Shell Scripting Info You could try it, gnome would be sluggish for you unless you have plenty of memory to spare, but I'm not sure. My problems may just be a Vinux issue though, because I ran a windows XP vm for testing for a while on the same system with the same amount of memory. I have not had the time to sit down and configure Linux+orca and gnome to see if it is in fact a Vinux issue though. On 5/16/2011 1:31 PM, Katherine Moss wrote: This would be to explore both CLI and KDE or Gnome on Open Suse 11. Do you still think it’s a good idea? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:56 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Shell Scripting Info If you're using cli, these friends don't know what they're talking about--virtual instances are just fine. Hell, there are enterprize level sites ran out of the cloud, which is *gasp* virtual. My servers are virtual instances on big boxes with tons and tons of ram, and they run perfectly. Now, if you want a GUI... At least for Vinux, virtual does "blow," because it's slow, laggy and painfully slow. On 5/16/2011 12:44 PM, Katherine Moss wrote: Speaking of virtual, and sorry to get off topic, but I’m curious. I plan to run a virtual instance of Open Suse from Novell on my laptop using VMware player starting this summer. I want to get acquainted with the Unix environment just for the heck of it, but two of my friends say that virtual instances of any Linux distro don’t work very well and that they “blowâ€�. What do you have to say about that? Do you agree or disagree? I ask because I want this to be a cool experience rather than a waste of my time. Thanks. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:36 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Shell Scripting Info Hi Storm, Very cool. What does someone need to take the class? I have Vinux Virtual on my machine at home. Jim From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm Dragon Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:28 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Shell Scripting Info Hi, It looks good. The only thing is, although you mension the Vinux Project you do not make it a link. It should link to: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ <http://www.vinuxproject.org/> Also, if you would like another bash resource I have been teaching a class in a new Vinux experiment called Vinux Classes. It's an irc chat room set up specifically for teaching Vinux related classes. All the classes are logged and are located at: http://classroom.vinuxproject.org/ <http://classroom.vinuxproject.org/> Thanks Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 "A sea of green will set us free" Six Feet Under On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 07:42 -0400, Homme, James wrote: Hi, I took the liberty to add the information Don provided about Bash scripting to http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org./content/what-programming-languages-are-most-useful-linux. Would someone please check this page for accuracy? Thanks. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. 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