Hi. was wondering, is there any documentation, online say from microsoft, which outlines the default sizes to place on controls for developing windows applications, say like in visual basic.dot net. any ideas, or links you can point me to. as trying to add up the controls, widths, lengths, and as a totally blind person, having trouble visualising the layout of the screen. i can put controls, set properties, write code, debug, but the visualising step, is hard to visualize in my head. any thoughts? cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind