RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:40:22 -0400

Hi,
Can someone with not much technical knowledge get this going independently?

Jim

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:56 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi,
I use Orca every day and haven't had many speed problems with it except on very 
large web pages. Granted I don't use open office though. Could it be the 
specific diestro you are using that makes it slow? I am using Ubuntu as my 
primary os. I used to be able to say only os, but I have to keep a winxp 
installation around to update some non Linux compatable hardware. (GRRRR!) Oh 
and to play Entoombed. But for everything else, it is Linux all the way. 
Anyway, before I manage to sidetrack myself any further, I have heard of some 
istros that cause Orca to run more slowly than others. Debian is supposed to 
have the fastest Orca around. I am not really sure what the difference would 
be, seems like it should run just as fast on one as the other, but oh well, 
things never work like they are supposed to.
Just Curious
Storm




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On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:20 -0400, Ken Perry wrote:



I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux box for

development only.  I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak again

because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office it is

so sluggish it is sick.  Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in voices to

make it something I can listen to.  Even with the purchase of those voices

though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast.   I am

stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my entire job

is programming in Linux.  Well not all of it I have something I am working

on in VB but that's just a rewrite.  Now a couple Sighted guys I work with

us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick.



Ken



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Hi,

All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to free

software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and code and

document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just want to

use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS and

FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to use, I

would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in disgust.



Jim



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Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Importance: Low



There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a

computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard something

about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to turn

it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can

finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all

working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small

additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing

and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some

developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the

scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives.





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Hi,

I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had

the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software

installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I

uninstalled the thing.



Jim



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Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge

correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation

restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had

linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the

database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess

included.







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Hi Chris,

What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?



Jim



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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Dunleavy

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Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online



Hi Chris,



I think the warning against server based applications should be retained

in

some form.

Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the

RoboBraille service.

The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html



--Jim

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From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online





> Hi,

>

> I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it

is a

very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity

while

having some of its services running on a server. All software written by

RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT) but

third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our back

end

to augment their products.

>

> The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and

raising

money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to

say

the least.

>

> As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next

version

of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.

>

> So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based

applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about

everything else in the statement?

>

> cdh

> On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:

>

> > I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general

overview

and

> > FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if

it

is

> > possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field

for

> > everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal

> > competition in the software market -- I say this because different

persons

> > have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require

> > different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in

> > applications.

> > But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.

> > Are you a member?

> > --le

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx>>

> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

> > Cc: "Chris Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM

> > Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

> >

> >

> > I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should

> > address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other

> > things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done

locally,

> > without needing an Internet connection.

> >

> > I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people

with

> > disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and

> > organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the

case,

> > and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"

described

> > at the web site

> > http://npii.org/

> >

> > Jamal

> >

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