Re: BrailleBlaster Embossers and Interfaces: Re: JFace
- From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:31:07 -0500
Ok, well cool. We won't have time to implement it before the Sodbeans
2.0 release, as we've got a gadzooks of features we're testing, but
I'll look into for our December release. Thanks for the details, this
could be a nice addition.
Stefik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, John J. Boyer
<john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The idea of a helper method is interesting. I'm thinking about it.
>
> BrailleBlaster is cross-platform by design. It uses SWT. liblouis and
> liblouisutdml were developed on Linux. They can be built on the Mac
> relatively easily. There is a ReadME file in the liblouisutdml
> distribution explaining this. Files for building liblouis on Windows
> using msvc already exist. I am working on the build files for
> liblouisutdml. So there shouldn't be any problem.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:15:53AM -0500, Andreas Stefik wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Ok, great, thanks. As for the main method question. I don't know that
>> I've ever actually tried it, but more than likely we would just move
>> that Main method code into a helper method and call that, both from
>> our code and the original Main. In other words, I'm not sure, but it
>> is easy enough to get around that it wouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> One other question. Is this currently windows only or does it work
>> with other OS's? I know of phonemic, we had to make a whole host of
>> native libraries for each platform. It's not a problem if it is
>> windows only, but I'm just asking.
>>
>> Stefik
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:52 AM, John J. Boyer
>> <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > BrailleBlaster is open-source and is under the Apache 2.0 license.
>> >
>> > Characters per line and lines per page are primarily dependent on paper
>> > size. BrailleBlaster will provide defaults They can also be set as
>> > arguments to subcommands.
>> >
>> > liblouisutdml is designed to handle computer code and math, so this
>> > shouldn't be a problem.
>> >
>> > Here's a dumb question on my part. Is it possible for a Java program to
>> > call the Main method of another Java program and pass arguments?
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:01:28AM -0500, Andreas Stefik wrote:
>> >> John,
>> >>
>> >> Is it open source? In theory, we could make a jar library that others
>> >> could tap into, allowing programmatic access. This would make it
>> >> possible to embed into NetBeans Platform applications, which is what
>> >> we would need on our end.
>> >>
>> >> For determining the number of characters per line, feeds and such, are
>> >> there any guidelines on how that is to be done. For example, is this a
>> >> per-printer thing?
>> >>
>> >> This might be another dumb question, but if we are printing computer
>> >> code, with the funny symbols that this entails, would you expect any
>> >> problems or think we would need to do any pre-processing?
>> >>
>> >> Stefik
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:55 AM, John J. Boyer
>> >> <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> > The Braille engine for BrailleBlaster is liblouisutdml. It is written in
>> >> > C and has extensive Java bindings. You could use it directly to produce
>> >> > files for embossing. By design it does not include any embosser drivers.
>> >> > However, most embossers will produce good braille if you simply send
>> >> > them a text file with the proper number of chatacters per line, lines
>> >> > per page, and forms feeds. Specific drivers are needed only for special
>> >> > features. BrailleBlaster will have these drivers. The user will go
>> >> > through a simple setup procedure for a particular embosser.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your question raises another. BrailleBlaster is a desktop application
>> >> > written in Java. Is there a way to connect it to other Java applications
>> >> > so that the latter can make use of its features. In this case the user
>> >> > interface would not be displayed, but the other application could make
>> >> > use of its capabilities. BrailleBlaster does have subcommands like those
>> >> > in Subversion and mercurial, so that it can be called to do tasks like
>> >> > translating and embossing from the command line. Since it is in Java,
>> >> > maybe there is a way to callit directly from within the JRE without
>> >> > having to use something like ProcessBuilder.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:04:18AM -0500, Andreas Stefik wrote:
>> >> >> Hey John,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This might be a stupid question, but our team has been looking into a
>> >> >> way to add Braille printing into Sodbeans, as the teachers we are
>> >> >> working with have requested it. Is something like braille blaster one
>> >> >> technique for how we would do that? And how hard is it to add such
>> >> >> functionality into an application, do you think? Do you need to do
>> >> >> some kind of network scanning to find appropriate printers, or how
>> >> >> does that work?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't know much about this area. No pressure, but if you have any
>> >> >> advice, it would be welcome,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stefik
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:54 PM, John J. Boyer
>> >> >> <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> > Rick,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BrailleBlaster will work with as many embossers as we can get drivers
>> >> >> > for. Of course, most embossers will produce plain, properly formated
>> >> >> > braille if just sent text with the proper number of cells per line,
>> >> >> > lines per page, and forms-feeds. So the generic embosser driver
>> >> >> > willo be
>> >> >> > the first to be implemented. BrailleBlaster will also produce files
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > reading on Braille displays. I think interfaces are mostly an OS
>> >> >> > matter.
>> >> >> > If we have to do anything, we'll take care of it when we reach that
>> >> >> > stage of development.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > John
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 01:04:20PM -0700, Rick Watson wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hi John,
>> >> >> >> what kinds of embossers will brailleblaster work with.
>> >> >> >> also what kinds of interfaces. I am looking for something which
>> >> >> >> will work on a mac and use a network print server.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> thanks
>> >> >> >> rick
>> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
>> >> >> >> Boyer
>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:01 PM
>> >> >> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: JFace
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jim,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For BrailleBlaster I use FormLayout. It's quite intuitive, once you
>> >> >> >> get
>> >> >> >> used to it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> John
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 03:29:35PM -0400, James Homme wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Hi John,
>> >> >> >> > I was hoping they had layout managers or something that would
>> >> >> >> > make laying out GUI's easier.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Jim
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> >> >> >> > J. Boyer
>> >> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 3:28 PM
>> >> >> >> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: JFace
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Jim,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Now I recognize it. I looked into it, but it seems to deal mostly
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > tables and graphics. We might use it somewhere down the road.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > John
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:12:47PM -0400, James Homme wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > Hi,
>> >> >> >> > > I may have made a mistake when I was talking about JFX. See
>> >> >> >> > > this page. http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/JFace
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Jim
>> >> >> >> > >
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