I think Sina has put some work into something like this, but I'll let him say more if he chooses to. Would be very cool!
On 09/09/2010 03:35 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
While reading through this thread, there was something that just jump out and grabbed me: "In our implementation, we bypass the Java access bridge and worked with Oracle to write our own screen reader, ..." Any way to use this screen reader you have crafted on other jvm applications? Open office perhaps? Or, is it specific only to your language and netbeans? It would be awesome to find a screen reader taht ran on a jre and that worked with applicaitons that were java-based. It could potentially be the first multiplatform screen reader. How feasible is this? Wish I knew Java! Alex M On 9/5/10, Chris Hofstader<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:We have a lot of languages with a lot of debuggers around the GNU world. If you send me mail at my cdh@xxxxxxx address, I can probably find a list of free software language and debugger implementations that you can look into. I'm not sure I'll know where to find all of this but I can poke around until I find someone who does. On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:04 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:I have an idea, wherever and whenever possible give open source top priority in debugger development work. If commercial vendors want your research team to work on their debuggers make sure you get two donations, one to help defray costs for open source debugger development and the second donation in terms of both funding and technical assistance to be put towards doing the actual commercial accessibile debugger development work. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:27 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Blind Programming, Workshop 1, Narrated Video An excellent question! The short answer is, yes, we do. First, while Hop is a language designed to be easy to use (explored in formal studies), it is also a legit programming language that works like any other. As such, while Hop isn't quite commercially scalable quite yet, we are working hard on optimization issues to make it so. For example, I just finished the first round of debugger optimizations for Hop. The new debugger architecture in Sodbeans 1.5 (released hopefully in december), is 57,261% faster than the 1.0 release so far, and it's only getting better. Second, the tools we've created are integrated into NetBeans 6.9, which is a standard programming environment and includes lots of other languages the students can play with and learn, without having to change tools or environments. Now, in practice, Java, Python, or other NetBeans supported languages, don't have talking debuggers, and they certainly don't connect easily to a screen reader, but what we would really like to do is get talking debuggers ready for other languages as well, so that kids can transition more easily, and so that professionals have better audio environments available for professional level work as well. With that said, creating a talking debugger for every language would definitely require collaboration with a number of other groups and industry. It's also pretty difficult, as not all languages are open source or are easily modifiable, and just from the natural complexity of writing debuggers, which is pretty brain bending at times. So yaa, that's the basic plan. You asked a great question, and this transfer effect idea, as it is called, has been very important to our research team. Stefik On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Jared Wright<wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I'm curious, do you have some ideas in place for helping students who learn Hop transition to more mainstream programming languages? I'm real excited about the accessible Netbeans environment and understand the reasoning behind making the language's terminology more intuitive to nonprogrammers. But a nonprogrammer after learning Hop is, by definition, no longer a nonprogrammer, and if they want to progress to anything more widely used they'll need to learn "do", "while", and "for" anyway. On 09/03/2010 09:52 AM, Andreas Stefik wrote:Tyler is correct, we built a custom compiler, debugger, and audio architecture to support the kids called Hop. We talk about it very briefly in the video, but we've been running a bunch of studies on the syntax and semantics to ensure it easy to use, one of which is coming out soon in the Software Quality Journal from Springer. There are ideas in the language borrowed from a number of languages, including Python, Ruby, Java, and many other features that we have, sometimes accidentally, found in studies. If you are curious about the details of the language, here is a link to the documentation: https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sodbeans/wiki/Hop Stefik On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I believe it's a custom language of sorts they set up, unless I'm thinking about a different project. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Midence"<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: Blind Programming, Workshop 1, Narrated VideoGood morning, Andreas, What programming language does your workshop use to introduce the subject? I remember you mentioning that it was something pretty easy to learn but don't remember if it was Python or Ruby or something like that. Regards, Alex M On 9/2/10, Andreas Stefik<stefika@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hello all, Our team here has finished an aurally narrated, closed captioned, video of the first year of our summer workshop on blind computer programming, that we recently completed out at the Washington State School for the Blind. Thanks again to all those who made this possible, and please enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93or1v6xCk Stefik __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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