I suggest you do a book starch on Russ Walter, he wrote at least two different books and one of them has several different programming languages illustrated in it side by side doing the same programming tasks. That will be your quickest way to get a small feel for several languages. Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david ingram Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 13:12 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Are there other programming tools that you know of? Hi how are you? I have some questions on what programming tools would help when it comes to learning and understanding the different programming languages? I ask this question, because i've taken a couple of programming languages and i'd like to know if there is a way to learn more about different computer programming languages as well as what would be the best ways to use access technology to our advantage while programming in different computer languages for example basic, and c? Colbalt was the next language, but I'd like to know if there is a computer language that comes close to the jaws scripting language and how to transfer the skills from the computer programming languages to the jaws scripting language? I would appreciate any information that you might have? P.S. I'd also like to know if you may have heard of the w e a program? I think that this is a program that people can take advantage of and i'm learning some things that people can go to get certified to do but the problem is that more people should know about such programs and how that can be used as a tool to help reach the goal of employment. I appreciate your thaughts and comments. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Stefik <mailto:stefika@xxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Sodbeans <mailto:sodbeans-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Auditory interface ideas, what would help? Hello folks, We're getting pretty close here in our netbeans tools, possibly within the next few months, to adding some very nice auditory enhancements to NetBeans for blind users. I've got an overwhelming number of ideas about what could help, but I can't implement them all and would like to get some feedback from the community. Specifically, we're looking for some ideas in two main areas, code completion and auditory navigation. 1. Code completion --- Whenever I've talked to folks in the past about code completion with audio, people have suggested that one of the most annoying issues with code completion is changes in focus. Anyone have ideas about auditory code completion? Besides managing focus better, anyone have any ideas on how to make it more accessible? 2. Auditory navigation --- I have a graduate student currently working on a blind code navigation system. Right now, the system allows you to jump around the source window and find variable declarations, method declarations, and other similar things, but we want to expand the navigation to make things easier. One idea I had, for example, was to make the navigation window "debugger sensitive" so that if you are navigating around while your code is executing, there will be audio that tells you more information about what you've browsed to. For example, if you navigate and land on a variable, it might tell you its name, type, and if the debugger is running, what its value is, or other information, depending on how much useful audio we can put into a short cue. But really, we're doing this project for this community. We genuinely want to make our tools as accessible as humanly possible, and we're going out of our way to make it so. If anyone has any ideas about what kind of tools would help you, go ahead and put them here, I'd love to hear about them! Obviously, we have limited development time, so it's unlikely we'll implement every suggestion, but brainstorming helps. Andreas Stefik, Ph.D. Department of Computer Science Southern Illinois University Edwardsville __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind