Yes, good job Mark, and James, I gotta learn to ignore Trouble to, so! Tyler Littlefield. Check out our website: http://tysplace.the-leetest.net check out my blog: livejournal.com/~tylerrl [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@xxxxxxxx> To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR WMF PATCH > "Is that all you can throw up," you say to someone with whom you have > a demonstrated difficulty getting along? > > Perhaps it's time for me to point out that it is often the silence of > a person I respect, more than the words. There is no need for a > contest here, and those who recognize that will earn my respect and > appreciation without saying a thing. Mark is one such person, and by > the restraint I often see in him, James is another. > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 08:11:26AM -0800, tyler wrote: > is that all you can throw up? I have used it 100 years. I don't care how > long you have used it. There are those who are good techs, mark, and quite a > few others, and others, like trouble, who say "I have experience, now, I am > better than anyone with out experience, and better than you, because your a > kid." OOps, didn't I say *end of thread* o well... > > Tyler Littlefield. > Check out our website: > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > check out my blog: > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corbett, James" <James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:05 AM > Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR WMF > PATCH > > > > Tyler: > > > > My momma taught me a few expressions such as "Well ain't that the pot > calling the kettle black", and "People in glass houses shouldn't throw > rocks". > > > > As for Red Hat, I bought my first copy in 1998 so lets see yyou are 14 > minus 8 years = 6 years old when you got your first copy... Wow, I tip my > hat at you or should I say my Red hat. > > > > J. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: January 6, 2006 11:05 AM > > To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR WMF > > PATCH > > > > > > I know red hat isn't open source. I was using it, before they started > > selling the thing. > > and, try language... You sound, well, your emails are hard to read, > because > > you abriviate, or cram things together so much. Read through one of them > > sometime. **end of thread for me** > > Tyler Littlefield. > > Check out our website: > > http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > check out my blog: > > livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:43 AM > > Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR WMF > > PATCH > > > > > > > Didn't change sides at all. Guess you didn't listen. > > > I use linix off and on for past few years, but > > > its not my main app. I'm a dos baby for a command > > > line, and sense dos don't do what all linix does you goes with what > does. > > > By the way Ty my red hat is not open source. > > > > > > At 12:47 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote: > > > >ah, and now, the tech that knows all... > > > >The last time I talked to you, you were bragging about linux, now your > > > >bragging about windows. Are we just switching sides? or was there a > > reason > > > >for you actually changing your mind this time? > > > >Tyler Littlefield. > > > >Check out our website: > > > >http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > > >check out my blog: > > > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:18 PM > > > >Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR WMF > > > >PATCH > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one you really should of researched on Ty. > > > > > You might want to try xp pro or 2003. I run mine > > > > > for weeks or even months without a boot. If you > > > > > don't run crap and know what your doing xp > > > > > shouldn't need booted all that often. > > > > > Now for your linix thing. you know why its open > > > > > source? Because not many people use it and it is > > > > > command line driven. See other post for info on that. > > > > > Now for the security thing, yes there are > > > > > different releases of windows for different > > > > > countries just like linix. Did you know there are > > > > > versions of linix that are not open source? Red > > > > > hat is one of them. yes you can get old red hat, > > > > > but the business version ain't as buggy as open source versions is. > > > > > You said linix don't have many upgrades? You need > > > > > to read and use it more, because patches for open > > > > > source comes out like water from faucet. > > > > > Now to address the requirement issue. older > > > > > versions of linix will run on those out dated > > > > > boxes yes. But your newer version won't, because > > > > > they are written to use the newer hardware on market now. > > > > > Just because you got linix on a box and running > > > > > some what. You really need to work with it as > > > > > your main box for a wile, and I don't mean shh > > > > > into it! Actually command line drive the box. > > > > > Then take a real good look at the page for what > > > > > ever distro you put in, and read. Will be > > > > > surprised what you find as in bugs, security problems, and hardware > > > >issues. > > > > > > > > > > At 12:06 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >Sure, the server is good, but, *most* and I am > > > > > >not saying all here, big companies use linux, > > > > > >because of its stability, and its security. > > > > > >Linux, is able to stay on for 3 weeks at a time, > > > > > >where most windows operating systems, unless you > > > > > >have tons of ram, and processing speed, can't do > > > > > >this. Sure, it has security holes. There won't > > > > > >ever be a program that won't, and if all > > > > > >development went into no security holes, then we > > > > > >wouldn't have linux. The thing that has made > > > > > >Linux what it is, is that it is open source. > > > > > >Something, that one of the guys of microsoft has > > > > > >commented on being bad for you guys, if you made source. > > > > > >comments made by Microsoft VP Jim Allchin who > > > > > >stated, under oath, that there were flaws in Windows so great that > > they > > > >would > > > > > >threaten national security if the Windows source code were to be > > > >disclosed. > > > > > >That, I can see, because of things like the message queue. > > > > > >Also, one more thing that differes hugely > > > > > >between Linux and windows, is the cost. While a > > > > > >new development of windows comes out every 3-5 > > > > > >years, you are also required almost definatly to > > > > > >upgrade your computer. Anyone seen the > > > > > >requirements for Windows vista? Linux, well. I > > > > > >can run this on a windows 98 pc, where 98 is > > > > > >totally out in Microsofts views, and be fine, > > > > > >with a p3 processor, 20 gb hard drive, less than that, and 128 ram. > > > > > >Later, > > > > > >Tyler Littlefield. > > > > > >Check out our website: > > > > > ><http://tysplace.the-leetest.net>http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > > > > >check out my blog: > > > > > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > > > > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: <mailto:Mark.Long@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Mark Long > > > > > >To: <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:54 AM > > > > > >Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR > > WMF > > > >PATCH > > > > > > > > > > > >Hmm.. I was unaware that there was only one > > > > > >flavour of Windows with the same security model. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > >From: > > > > > > ><mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tyler > > > > > >Sent: 05 January 2006 16:52 > > > > > >To: <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR > > WMF > > > >PATCH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >not as many as windows, but then, you have to > > > > > >consider the differences, windows is designed > > > > > >for the basic user, who wants to come home home > > > > > >from work, and play his game, and linux is > > > > > >designed for the more advanced users, who > > > > > >hopefully know how to inforce the word security. > > > > > >Lucaly, most of the linux systems I have seen have used this. > > > > > > > > > > > >Tyler Littlefield. > > > > > >Check out our website: > > > > > ><http://tysplace.the-leetest.net>http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > > > > >check out my blog: > > > > > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > > > > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > >From: <mailto:Mark.Long@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Mark Long > > > > > > > > > > > >To: <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR > > WMF > > > >PATCH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ah yes. Linux never has security issues. Ok, > > > > > >there are over 900,000 webpages talking about > > > > > >Linux security patches but they could all be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > >From: > > > > > > ><mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tyler > > > > > >Sent: 05 January 2006 16:20 > > > > > >To: <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >Subject: [program-l] Re: Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR > > WMF > > > >PATCH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is exactly the reason, I am getting an old > > > > > >98 system, crashing it, and putting linux on it! > > > > > >whoot! cheers for security! lol > > > > > > > > > > > >Tyler Littlefield. > > > > > >Check out our website: > > > > > ><http://tysplace.the-leetest.net>http://tysplace.the-leetest.net > > > > > >check out my blog: > > > > > >livejournal.com/~tylerrl > > > > > >[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features] > > > > > >[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!] > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > >From: <mailto:James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Corbett, James > > > > > > > > > > > >To: <mailto:Program-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Program-L (E-mail) > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [program-l] Off Topic: USERS SWEAT BULLETS WAITING FOR WMF > > PATCH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Security experts are warning about the danger of a currently > > unpatched > > > > > >vulnerability in all current versions of the Windows operating > > system, > > > > > >but Microsoft has said the patch won't be released until January > 10, > > > > > >its next scheduled patch release date. Sam Curry of Computer > > Associates > > > > > >International said, "This vulnerability is rising in popularity > among > > > > > >hackers, and it is simple to exploit." Others estimate that more > than > > > > > >one million computers have already been infected worldwide, noting > > that > > > > > >attacks have taken the form of malicious Web sites, Trojan horses, > > and > > > > > >instant messaging worms. The flaw, which affects how Windows > handles > > > > > >Windows Meta File (WMF) images, is especially dangerous because > users > > > > > >need only view an image designed to take advantage of the > > vulnerability > > > > > >to have their computers infected. Despite the calls for an > immediate > > > > > >patch, Microsoft, which adopted a schedule of monthly patch > updates, > > > > > >has said the fix for the current bug will not be released until the > > > > > >next scheduled group of patches. 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