Thanks all, these are very helpful recommendations and I 'll try to use all
of them as much as possible.
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On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 10:08 PM Dzhovani Chemishanov <
dzhovani.chemishanov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
my idea is not to run it in debug mode, but to have logs at debug
level. Or whatever way you can grap the production logs. Debug logs
are something totally different from running the application with
debug breakpoints.
If you don't have access to the production logs, you can hope that
either you can find the integration tests of the microservice
responsible and get an example from there or that you can reconstruct
the expected payload from the types of the variables in the handler.
If none of these works, you can try to reverse engineer the source
code of the ui and try to find what data could be put in the http
request.
Finally, you can ask a colleague to give you a hand with the payload.
HTH,
Dzhovani
On 1/17/22, timothyjb310@xxxxxxxxx <timothyjb310@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, so I work on a project with only a couple micro services, but havefaced
similar problems. I use Google Chrome, and have slowly started tounderstand
how to use the dev console to help in debugging. I can provide what Iknow
and have done to read HTTP requests/responses, but like in Firefox, theas I
chrome console is not easy to use with a screen reader. I know as much
do from working with sited teammates. I use NVDA, and am basing all of mynot
instructions on using NVDA. JAWS may read things differently, and I can
attest to doing any of this with JAWS.you
In terms of working with an inaccessible UI, I understand. It is very
frustrating to be working on a story, but you cannot even test it until
fix accessibility bugs. However, it does make the app more WCAGcompliant,
and only makes your life easier. I tend to just use aria to improvefixes
accessibility of the UI as I go. Eventually things get easier the more
you make. I just slip in these accessibility fixes into the stories Iwork
on, and since I tend to only fix these bugs using aria, there is novisual
change to the screen so there is no complaints from product owners oranyone
else. My team, with my help, has become more aware of accessibility, andthings
things that can be done to write more accessible code. One of the big
that I encourage my team to do, which tends to fix a lot of issues, is toheading
just use HTMl elements as they are ment to be used. So use the button tag
instead of a div or span tag marked up with a click event, or use a
tag instead of making the text bigger and bolding it. With aria, you canfix
these easily enough, but it is better to just use the actual elements aswe
all know. If you have any questions about how to go about fixing thesebugs
and others with aria, let me know.you
If you are trying to examine HTTP requests and responses using Chrome,
first need to open up the web page in question, then press f12. From thetop
of the screen, down arrow until you find the network tab and pressenter. It
is a tab like element not a link or button, so I have yet to find a quicktab
way to navigate the tabs. There may be chrome dev tool specific shortcuts
that may help. In newer versions of Chrome, you may need to down arrow to
the more tabs button and choose network from the dropdown, however my
version of Chrome does not have this. It is important that the network
is open before you test the feature that you are trying to read the HTTPis
request/response for. If you are testing a request that is made when the
page loads, then just press f5 to refresh the page once the network tab
open. To get back to your actual page, the fastest way I have found is tothe
jump to the address bar using alt+d, and shift tabbing until you start
hearing elements that are from your page. You should be able to navigate
your page as normal. Visually on the screen from what I have been told,
dev tools window is still open, and is taking up part of the screen,where
the other part of the screen is the site. Navigate to the feature that isrequest
causing you issues, and trigger the request. Once you know that the
should be sent, do ald+d again to jump to your address bar, and tab intothe
dev tools which should still be open. It gets a bit tricky from here,but I
recently figured out how to actually read the requests and responses,want.
although sometimes it takes some fiddling to get the information you
The quickest way I have found to get to the HTTP request/response tree,is
to first navigate to the end of the screen using control+end and thenpress
shift+x, which should read out the checkboxon
“Network panel property page 3rd-party requests check box not checked
“
From hear, you should be able to tab three times, which should hopefully
a good day turn on forms mode for you, place focus on the tree view, andcell.”
read out something like
“Network Log Rows: 11, use the up and down arrow keys to navigate and
interact with the rows of the table; Use browse mode to read cell by
examine
You can use the arrow keys to navigate the tree view, if you want to
a request more carefully, expand that request. You can also press enteron
it, which should open the request, and give you some more options to viewmode. I
headers and the response if you do insert+space to get out of forms
cannot instruct much beyond this point since I am still trying to find ausing
consistent method method to get to this information myself. Remember when
exploring to try right clicking on things to see what your options are
shift+f10 or using your applications key.API.
Beyond getting the request from the UI, you may need to send it to an
As I am sure you know, postman is not accessible. It is a ratherfrustrating
thing for blind full stack developers, but there are alternatives. Icurl,
personally use httpi, which is a python based command line tool like
but way easier to use. I have struggled until recently using httpi sincemy
company requires some additional flags and information to be used tojson.
authenticate, but it works well enough. We use JWT authentication, so I
wrote a batch script using httpi and jq to request a token with one short
command. JQ is a command line tool also python based, which can parse
I just added this to my path. Then I can just run the commandto
Dev-token | clip
To request the token, and pipe it directly into my clipboard. Where
dev-token is the name of my batch file that I added to my path. I intend
create other such batch files for our other environments, such asuat-token,
and prod-token, I have just not done it yet. This is assuming you areusing
windows. Anyways, I save specific requests that I tend to make in batchto
files that I can run later. I love scripting my development environment
make my life easier, especially as a blind developer, since we tend tohave
to do things differently and sometimes in a longer way than our sitedpeers.
A quick tip that I recently used with httpi is that if you assign yourtoken
to the environment variable JWT_AUTH_TOKEN, and you use the jwt httpiknow
plugin, you can make requests without sending the token. If you want to
more about this, let me know.mode.
Hope this helped,
Timothy Breitenfeldt
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Subject: [program-l] Re: If you had to work on a web project with lots of
microservices that does not have an accessible ui, How do you find which
part of the code needs change or has bug?
Devtools in firefox is accessible but a little bit tricky and you can
completely coppy http response, headers, and request and it's headers.
If you want, I can record quicke tutorial for that.
The trick is that you should use Nvda's focus mode instead of browse
page?
But my problem here is that The web UI is not accessible.
In some Dev companies, the test team is responsible for providing the
payload and should tell you which micro service has bugs, but here they
don't have such rules.
How can I automate with selenium if I can't browse some parts of the
karl-otto@xxxxxxxxxx
Best.
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:34 PM Karl-Otto Rosenqvist <
<mailto:karl-otto@xxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi!
My experience is that the dev tools in Microsoft Edge is hard to use
with NVDA. Perhaps it's because I don't have enough experience and
knowledge of where to look.
I'm partly sighted and have tried to inspect elements but I feel that
it's very hard to do with a screen reader. Perhaps it is easier if you
know the keyboard shortcuts to jump between the dev tools window/pane
and the page itself?
Perhaps it's a similar problem that hamidreza abroshan experiences?
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Karl-Otto
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Den 2022-01-17 kl. 15:37, skrev travis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:travis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :
SO are you saying the web application is inaccessible? Or the dev tools
are?
If the web application is inaccessible that seems a whole problem on its
own.
I guess if you really wanted you could try to automate executing steps
in the web application using something like Selenium. But it sure sounds
like an uphill battle if the application’s UI is inaccessible to that
extreme.
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which part of the code needs change or has bug?
Thanks Dzhovani,
We are running micro services locally, and can not trigger http requests
from outside.
If I could debug the Micro services that are running on the central
server, the test team and other developers can not use the app because I
put a breakpoint somewhere and the execution stops when it hits my break
point.
Let me explain my problem clearly.
Imagine that you joined a back end team of an app.
You receive a bug that says, "in the second page of customer
registration, when customer details are added, We get 500 server error".
At this point, your fellow sited developer, opens the UI, navigates to
registration, completes the form until gets to page 2, and in page 2,
before hitting that button that sends customer details, opens his
browser dev tools to track http requests and hits that send button.
Now, he can copy the http request and response from dev tools and resend
with any rest client like postman and debug the local app, but if you
were blind, you can not sea the UI, and you can not obtain the payload
that you need to debug the app this way.
I'm asking any alternate solutions that
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 1:39 PM Dzhovani Chemishanov
<dzhovani.chemishanov@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dzhovani.chemishanov@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:dzhovani.chemishanov@xxxxxxxxx
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wrote:
Hi,
As far as I get your problem, you are unable to trigger an http
request in order to inspect its content. If I get you correctly,
debug
log the incoming request on the backend and wait for someone to
trigger it. This is valid if you can fiddle with the handlers and
have access to the raw data of the http request.
HTH,
Dzhovani
On 1/17/22, hamidreza abroshan <hamidreza.abroshan@xxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:hamidreza.abroshan@xxxxxxxxx
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> Hey all,
> I'm working on a java project that has 60 microservices and this
project
> does not have an accessible UI.
> My problem is that when I need to debug this app, I need a
payload to send
> with rest clients, and every one says, "go and get the payload
from UI."
> What do you do in similar situations?
> I need urgent help and appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
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