There are 34 messages totalling 1941 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Moyer Feed: (8) 2. ADMIN: PML will be merging to new host (2) 3. White stock and all other colors (3) 4. Lonette and Harry. The Odd couple. (3) 5. GENINFO Skin Colouration (2) 6. A working class pigeon (2) 7. Joined to Learn (2) 8. Breeders that change the face of the fancy 9. Lonette and Harry ,the odd couple LOL Harry joining PETA??? 10. Lonette to Harry (2) 11. Lonette to Ken (2) 12. Lonette to John L. 13. Lonette to John S. 14. Pigeon Feed 15. FW: Moyer Feed: (2) 16. the movie is geat
Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of little value as some of the guys that are picking it up in Pa. have already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a little better and I think a 100% better feed". So what is your feed? How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM
I'll
be moving the PML over to a new host in the coming days.
The email address the PML comes from and the address to post to the PML will change. I hope to do it seemlessly, and will post further details on the matter soon. Cliff PML ADMIN
Linda,
It's true, too much protein will cause the skin to
become dark on a pigeon. Then why do they sell race feed with 22.5%
protein? Protein builds muscle. Does it then matter what color skin
your pigeons have, if they are winning races with dark skin? Just
wondering.
John Lucchese
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
Terry,
Didn't you read my post?
John Lucchese
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
Harry,
Now why would I be jealous? Have you ever seen a picture
of Lonette? I have, and also the films she's appeared in. She's a lot
prettier than you Harry. Sorry, Harry, she wins, you're out, LOL, LOL,
LOL.
John Lucchese
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
Harry,
Misunderstood, would be a better word, not retarded. I
think you are far from being that.
John Lucchese
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
Tommy, I have found the distributor in our area. He will not help at all. He will not sell to "just anyone"...must have a business license. The prices where ever Moyer (Purgrain) & Purina is sold, are outrageous. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Moyer Feed: Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of little value as some of the guys that are picking it up in Pa. have already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a little better and I think a 100% better feed". So what is your feed? How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM
Jackie, What do you consider outrageous? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Greenough" <jmgreeno@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Tommy, I have found the distributor in our area. He will not help at all. He will not sell to "just anyone"...must have a business license. The prices where ever Moyer (Purgrain) & Purina is sold, are outrageous. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Moyer Feed: Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of
already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a
How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM
John,
Several years ago, just after we changed to Heritage Acres feed we
had a lot of problems with the old birds, they were very lethargic and
very reluctant to fly. We called the late Dr. Brad Batte, who advised
us to check the colour of the skin and it was a deep purple. He told
us to get them on the barley and green tea regimen straight away.
Within 5 days the skin was back to a lovely pink colour and the birds
were flying like dingbats. I've passed this information on to quite a
few people who have been having difficulty getting their young birds to
fly and it has worked out well for them.
Only three or four weeks ago I was contacted by some new starters
down in Florida , who's birds were coming in very late from races and I
suggested they check the colour of the skin and if it was purple toi
start the barley regimen, the following week they contacted me to say
that instead of coming in an hour late, they took a 5th.
We can only get one mix here which is 14 percent, but I still keep
an eye on the skin colouration
Jackie, I don't understand business license? (I don't have one).If your price per bag for a 16% feed is between $20.00 to $23.00 you are still cheaper than one local farm supply (Tractors)here.I would think under $25.00 that far down would still be what is commanded NOW? The reason I like the Puragrain is the cleanness of the feed, I flew on Kaytee (another excellent feed) for years but MY OPINION "Purgrain is cleaner". I am told that diesel has risen to $ 4.01 up the road and those big trucks ONLY average 3 to 4 miles per gallon, so the trucker can not absorb all that? As the standard disclaimer now.......just my opinion <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:27 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Tommy, I have found the distributor in our area. He will not help at all. He will not sell to "just anyone"...must have a business license. The prices where ever Moyer (Purgrain) & Purina is sold, are outrageous. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Moyer Feed: Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of little value as some of the guys that are picking it up in Pa. have already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a little better and I think a 100% better feed". So what is your feed? How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
Cliff,
will the new host allow for the posting of pictures ???
Linda Joneli linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.redroselofts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff" <pigeonring@xxxxxxxxx> To: <PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: ADMIN: PML will be merging to new host I'll be moving the PML over to a new host in the coming days.
$32.00 or more a bag. Don't you consider that a bit steep? I am on the west coast of Florida. Higgins feed is made on the east coast of Florida. I have a friend that lives in Key West, which is 160 miles from Miami. He gets it for $17 a bag. I am 230 miles from Miami and around here it is $32.00 or more. What's up with that? -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:02 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Jackie, What do you consider outrageous? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Greenough" <jmgreeno@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Tommy, I have found the distributor in our area. He will not help at all. He will not sell to "just anyone"...must have a business license. The prices where ever Moyer (Purgrain) & Purina is sold, are outrageous. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Moyer Feed: Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of
already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a
How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
Everything is going up. Except wages and the price of a dove release. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:28 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Jackie, I don't understand business license? (I don't have one).If your price per bag for a 16% feed is between $20.00 to $23.00 you are still cheaper than one local farm supply (Tractors)here.I would think under $25.00 that far down would still be what is commanded NOW? The reason I like the Puragrain is the cleanness of the feed, I flew on Kaytee (another excellent feed) for years but MY OPINION "Purgrain is cleaner". I am told that diesel has risen to $ 4.01 up the road and those big trucks ONLY average 3 to 4 miles per gallon, so the trucker can not absorb all that? As the standard disclaimer now.......just my opinion <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:27 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Tommy, I have found the distributor in our area. He will not help at all. He will not sell to "just anyone"...must have a business license. The prices where ever Moyer (Purgrain) & Purina is sold, are outrageous. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Moyer Feed: Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of little value as some of the guys that are picking it up in Pa. have already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a little better and I think a 100% better feed". So what is your feed? How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
We pay from 16.00 to 20.00 a bag for Moyers, the Professional Series are my old Formulas that they used to sell and make for me, they might have tweeked them a bit to save money ? They do still keep the grain nice and clean and somewhat polished, I prefer Baden form Canada, but my dealer stopped carrying it, trucking was out of sire and he couldn't make enough off us.. John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:27 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Tommy, I have found the distributor in our area. He will not help at all. He will not sell to "just anyone"...must have a business license. The prices where ever Moyer (Purgrain) & Purina is sold, are outrageous. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Moyer Feed: Jackie, the price I pay for Moyer feed will be different than what is charged in Florida, due to the mileage/freight. Quoting my price will be of little value as some of the guys that are picking it up in Pa. have already posted their prices and it's less than what I pay. We primarily use Conditioner/Breeder with/without corn, and European supreme plus all the different seeds (hemp, red wheat, barley, white kafir, safflower etc.) I also use their 20% protein pellets on my pigeons and my show bantams. I would think a call to Moyer & Sons would get you a distributor in your area IF there is one? Again maybe someone on the list knows more than I ? I talked with the driver yesterday, when he delivered and their trucks are NOT making the run to Florida I think that run is hired out? <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Mineral Salt. So, Tommy, you are getting your feed from Moyer? You state "Our price is a little better and I think a 100% better feed". So what is your feed? How much is it and can anyone get it. Doesn't take much to confuse me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM
I don’t think the grain is as good as when Brad was alive, he had allot of knowledge to share as well, he knew his stuff. John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:07 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: GENINFO Skin Colouration John, Several years ago, just after we changed to Heritage Acres feed we had a lot of problems with the old birds, they were very lethargic and very reluctant to fly. We called the late Dr. Brad Batte, who advised us to check the colour of the skin and it was a deep purple. He told us to get them on the barley and green tea regimen straight away. Within 5 days the skin was back to a lovely pink colour and the birds were flying like dingbats. I've passed this information on to quite a few people who have been having difficulty getting their young birds to fly and it has worked out well for them. Only three or four weeks ago I was contacted by some new starters down in Florida , who's birds were coming in very late from races and I suggested they check the colour of the skin and if it was purple toi start the barley regimen, the following week they contacted me to say that instead of coming in an hour late, they took a 5th. We can only get one mix here which is 14 percent, but I still keep an eye on the skin colouration Linda Joneli linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.redroselofts.com
Hi:
A sheep dog living it's life on a couch in front of a
TV is still a working class dog because of a genetic
difference.
However, a pigeon bred for work that spends its life
working and "has genetic markers different from other
strains" of pigeons is just tossed into the general
homer class.
What is wrong when the fancy has many classes of
pigeons, based on genetic differences; and not having
a "working class", that also demonstrate genetic
differences??????????
I would appreciate any and all replys:
Jerry
Highland Loft
Harbor Springs, MI.
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I
joined this PML hoping to learn more about Pigeons, so far I have
learned a little but mostly what I have found is bickering and
battering in every other post. I was under the impression that the PML
was a bunch of Professionals discussing pigeon issue so I could learn
much.
There
is no need to reply to this post, that would just continue the problem,
instead everyone should just start acting like professionals so that
those of us who are not can get some good,useful information and stop
wasting time reading garbage.
Harry:
Souza and maybe another half dozen are in a class of
their own.
Keep them flying:
Jerry
Highland Loft
Harbor Springs, MI.
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GOOD LORD HARRY!!!!
I
can't wait to see you at our next PETA meeting. We'll have a special
place of honor all ready for you when you arrive.We'll be serving up
lots of refreshments also. Maybe some nice tar and plenty of feathers
to go with it.How does that sound?LOL
I'm just messing
with you,PETA already has you being watched and would never let you
near one of their gatherings.LMAO!!! Sorry I couldn't resist saying
that.( the devil made me do it ! OK?
Seriously I have a
great deal of respect for your knowledge of racing pigeons and our
ideas on maintaining the health of the birds are truly on the same
page,and I'll bet you are kind and caring with them,and are a big puppy
dog toward you wife as well.LOL
As for Lonette if she were
a racing pigeon she'd be an all distance three time champion.it takes
allot of passion and drive to accomplish all the things she has,and
allot of brains to boot.Now with all of this comes a certain amount of
temperment and feistyness,( just like the birds I talk about that have
character.They will wiggle out of your hand then stand on it while they
turn around and wing slap you, before they fly up to their nest.
I really enjoy both of your posts and hope to continue to see both
of you on the pigeon list for many years to come.
In the words of Rodney King," can't we all just get along?
Charlie
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Oh Harry, You're so sweet to do all that for me.... but now once again you've told the List about our secret love affair and tryst... I've already told you time and again that our love is so strong you don't even have to join peta to be close to me... You've done so much for them already. No need. Oh and yes, I'll have those ferals ready for you to pick-up for the hunt club tonight ....when we meet as usual my love darling coochie coo... Your loving woman, Lonette
Hi Ken, I was just recently informed by one of our members here that Dave is an enemy on PML. I didn't know that previously. However, many of the guys on the List still seem to have enjoyed the video anyway and do think it's worthy. Is it possible that a lot of the video is true and worthwhile but because of the connection to this guy Dave (whoever he is or was) many just don't want to admit the tape has any merit? Just asking. Lonette
Oh Harry, You're so sweet to do all that for me.... but now once again you've told the List about our secret love affair and tryst... I've already told you time and again that our love is so strong you don't even have to join peta to be close to me... You've done so much for them already. No need. Oh and yes, I'll have those ferals ready for you to pick-up for the hunt club tonight ....when we meet as usual my love darling coochie coo... Your loving woman, Lonette Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:52:04 -0700 From: HARRY HILL <hjhill@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Lonette and Harry. The Odd couple. Bruce; yep, you got me, I've turned in my woman haters club card and joined PETA so I can be closer to Lonette. I don't want to make John L jealous though so the relationship has to stay on the q t. For Lonettes side of the relationship she is supplying feral pigeons from NYC for a pigeon shoot we are having, then she is going to adopt a couple of children as she has so much love for humanity. Harry
Hi Ken, Yesterday actually I was informed by one of our members here that Dave is an enemy on PML in the opinion of some on the List. I didn't know that previously. However, many of the guys on the List still seem to have enjoyed the video anyway and do think it's worthy. Is it possible that a lot of the video is true and worthwhile but because of the connection to this guy Dave (whoever he is or was) many just don't want to admit the tape has any merit? Just asking. Lonette Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:50:55 -0600 From: Ken Strong <strong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Lonette to Ken Lonette, I took time to watch the video. I see that it was produced by Jim Jenner but also that it was done for Dave Roth. Now Dave Roth is the Animal Dave that was and has been referred to on this list. He has a reputation and not the best. He was removed from the list. It was his group that paid for the making of the movie therefore it is one sided. No less than if I had a movie made saying just the opposite and showed the need to exterminate pigeons. I am not saying either is right but I am saying that Dave has a reputation and is if I remember right against racing of pigeons. Therefore it is important to take all things into consideration and weigh the pluses and minus of each. Ken ----- Original Message -----
John L. dear,
Some folks couldn't acquire your class, kindness, dignity and compassion if
they went out and tried to buy it.
You're top-notch. I give Harry credit for just plain ol' fighting with me
out in the open and not behind my back. The only person that looked really
bad out of this unfortunate shall we say...."exposing of the true heart" is
the person that had such a mean-spirit as to say that behind my back
thinking I wouldn't see it and wouldn't be able to defend it. He also made
the mistake if thinking that all of you would jump on the bandwagon with his
lynch-mob tactics. But you're all way too cool for that. Even those of you I
fight with sometimes are above board and honest with me when we disagree on
stuff. I have some wonderful friends on this List. Goes around comes
around... Thank you John L. for not letting me bolt.
Lonette
John,
That wasn't very nice, Lonette is still a lady and entitled to
some respect. Although Harry has the name, he never would have written so
callous a post. BTW, I have convinced Lonette to stay on, and to keep
writing her
opinions, and she agreed, so I guess you just got hit with the plague, LOL,
LOL.
John Lucchese
Jerry
are you talking about a class for Breed/Color Mosaic's or Classes for
Racing Homers? As Far as shows for Racing Homers, there are many shows
all over the US for Racing Homers. There are classes for breeders,
performance & color. In the end all 1st place winners are Judged
against each other. With Breed/Color Mosaic's how would you Judge one
when there is no Standard for them and they are few and far between.
Kay
Oklahoma
John S. You know Harry can't help himself when it comes to fighting with me.... it's his joy in life! I'm irresistible to him.... like a moth to a flame. And he IS a mean old junk-yard-dog! LOL LOL LOL Thanks for defending. Lonette Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:37:14 -0400 From: John Sampson <sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Lonette and Harry. The Odd couple. You are hopeless, I remember when you were on thin ice here, maybe ice out is comng soon and you'll fall in.. You sound like a mean junk yard dog, a retirded cop or both. I think I'll take some time off for some fresh air scrapping pigeon s---.. John S. Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx www.Sampsonbrothersloft.com (check us out)
Some of you, that have time, may wish to validate the various percentages of protein and fat content quoted in the commercial feed you purchase. Maple peas are only grown for pigeon feeds. Some reports state they may damage a pigeon's kidneys, another associates 'panting' with maple peas. Below is a site where you can download a FEED CALCULATOR! http://www.pigeonjournal.com/content/view/252/35 Peter ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed
our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably
two more increases this year
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John L, it's not the skin, but the muscles underneath. The
darkness of the muscles is in direct correlation to the depletion of
stored fat in the muscles. Replacing of this fat returns the muscle
color to red. If it's black, I would be inclined to think that it was
caused by a blow. Research has shown that racing pigeons can only
absorb 16 to 18% protein, the balance in excess being excreted. I
regard Dr. Chalmers as being an expert in the field of racing pigeons,
and he has written many articles on them.
David R.
________________________________________ From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:52 PM To: 'Pigeon_Mailing_List' Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: Bob, did you ALSO get the increase in Jan. of 2008. Did they quote what percentages the new price would be? Thanks, <hta> ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ryan Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:06 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably two more increases this year ________________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
hello all, i got a new price list dec 31 next price increase is
coming march 24 i will have new price list with our order on march 25
no mention of what the increase will be bobby
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John,
The reason they sell it is
because somebody will buy it.
Larry
Lonette, as always you seem to come through with something for
everyone. When a little boy I often though a pigeon would make a great
pet. I was from a small town and not many pigeons around except the
real wild ones in barns and you could not get close to them. I have
always felt sad I was exposed to the use of them for dog training and
shooting and I would take home the hurt ones to try and save with no
luck. My own church here in traverse city had their pigeons poisoned
out of the bell tower. Every time I do a dove release there, I still
think about the helpless birds flopping around. Your link to the Jenner
movie is great and hope lots more people see it, and try some of those
projects. The Park Place Hotel in Traverse City here has had pigeon 10
floors up on the roof for 80 years. They don't kill them, and they
don't feed them. They did, by decree of the new management team order a
complete covering of all air conditions fan etc on the roof top so the
baby pigeons would not get killed by being caught in them. I have
pigeon friends that kill pigeons and get paid for it. I have pigeon
friends???? that pull the head of a bird if it doesn't win at a show. I
know a flyer that shoots his pigeon on a race if it doesn't go right in
the loft so it wins. There has been talk on here about a sports
illustrated mag that shed a bad light on pigeon racing and now the nice
one on the discovery channel that promotes races in a better light.
PML is a pretty balanced posting area of thoughts and learning, Thanks
for being here and posting. Jim Frees
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