There are 23 messages totalling 1485 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. GENINFO: will the new host allow for the posting of pictures ??? 2. White stock and all other colors 3. Moyer Feed: (6) 4. Old-elm pigeon feed. 5. Migration (2) 6. Muscle color, repair and tone 7. Dropping Gas prices 8. No place in the shows for a working class???? (2) 9. [Fwd: FOUND BIRD] 10. Lonette pigeon skin.... 11. Joined to learn 12. Lonette to Charlie 13. Lonette to Jim Frees 14. Protein (2) 15. <No subject given> ----------------
Cliff, will the new host allow for the posting of pictures ??? Linda, I am evaluating a couple of Email Discussion groups services currently on a trial bases to choose the one that will serve best. I'm leaning towards using Google Groups. Yes they allow photo uploads. It also Archives everything nicely. I was able to upload all the past years ARCHIVES into the FILES section for easy access by any member as well. If interested, you can see what I currently have setup at: http://groups.google.com/group/pml-pigeonring/subscribe?hl=en Cliff PML Admin
David,
Using 22% protein feed, last season, 27 birds, raced
every week, had 6 club firsts, 4 combine firsts, two combine seconds,
and one combine third, against 2000-2600 pigeons. Now, I never checked
the color of their skin, I just shipped the pigeons on the performances
they turned in racing, and training. I, like you, always believed that
too much protein turns the skin deep purple. It may be possible that
the supplements that I give the pigeons kept the skin clear and smooth.
If I did look at a pigeon's keel, the skin was pink and smooth, so I
have to conclude that supplements were the cause of this, and keeping
them in form for nine weeks. Every week I expected them to "break down"
and lose their form, but they didn't. As a matter of fact, on the last
race, 300 miles, they took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd with the entire board. I
am still mystified how pigeons could race 9 weeks in a row, and still
keep their form. Be assured, I wrote down everything that I gave them
in my notebook, and will keep the same regimen again this year. I just
used my race results as a point of reference. Like John Sampson, I do
not like to point out the accomplishments of my pigeons, just to give
advice from my personal experiences, to those who can use it. Regards,
John Lucchese
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My dealer buys trailer loads and passes some small savings on to us, not great, but some. However in the summer they keep too much grain on hand and it tends to get moths. I'd rather pay more and get grain that is turned over often in the hot months, I don't know how you guys down south handle the heat and grain, but moths in the grain are sure death to racing well. Brad Batty said not to use any feed with moths, he took all grain back from me that had moths, he said it's a respiratory thing they get ?????????????????? All I know is if your flying horrible when normally you fly good and have moths in your grain, look no further, It's the larve poop that does it, so if you use any oils, etc. all the poop will stick the grain, I found it by seeing it in the breeder grain trays which use no oils, it looks like brown pepper... John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: FW: Moyer Feed: ________________________________________ From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:52 PM To: 'Pigeon_Mailing_List' Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: Bob, did you ALSO get the increase in Jan. of 2008. Did they quote what percentages the new price would be? Thanks, <hta> ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ryan Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:06 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably two more increases this year ________________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
Another good quality feed you
guys might want to check out is Old Elm pigeon feed. It is very clean
also and very good quality. Thats what I'm using. They make a 17%
racing mix and other mixes..Maybe the prices are better? www.old-elm.com Qlick on the pigeon
feed info..
Bruce.
John, when we "heat up" my feed is stored in plastic (large) cans, I put one of the no pest strips on top resting on newspaper. I do not have the weevils and such hatching out. I was told by a feed store dealer the eggs are in the seed and there is no way to prevent it? I live in South Carolina, not quiet as hot as the deep south but hot enough! My question: has ANYONE done similar techniques and is there any danger to the birds? I have not noticed anything but again my name is not always at the top of the sheet....LOL. I need ever "edge" I can get! Thanks <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john sampson Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:58 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: My dealer buys trailer loads and passes some small savings on to us, not great, but some. However in the summer they keep too much grain on hand and it tends to get moths. I'd rather pay more and get grain that is turned over often in the hot months, I don't know how you guys down south handle the heat and grain, but moths in the grain are sure death to racing well. Brad Batty said not to use any feed with moths, he took all grain back from me that had moths, he said it's a respiratory thing they get ?????????????????? All I know is if your flying horrible when normally you fly good and have moths in your grain, look no further, It's the larve poop that does it, so if you use any oils, etc. all the poop will stick the grain, I found it by seeing it in the breeder grain trays which use no oils, it looks like brown pepper... John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: FW: Moyer Feed: ________________________________________ From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:52 PM To: 'Pigeon_Mailing_List' Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: Bob, did you ALSO get the increase in Jan. of 2008. Did they quote what percentages the new price would be? Thanks, <hta> ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ryan Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:06 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably two more increases this year ________________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
Yes the eggs are in the grain itself, but I don't think the eggs do any harm as we have been feeding them eggs since day 1 probably, neither do the moths. it's the moth larva poop that is the culprit. And even that is OK if you don't use oils or liquid (wheat germ, etc) on the grain. When I see moths or Larva, my race birds do not get the grain, it's either dumped or given to breeder who get no oils on the grain. As far as pest srtips, I don't know, I don't use them near the grain, I suppose they will kill the moths, but the damage is done by then, maybe they will kill the larva too ???? But I dont know about putting pest strips too close to the grain, I know folks who do and they fly good and I use them allover the lofts for othe bugs and I do OK in the racs too. One guy drills 2 holes in the barrel cover and hangs a pest strip off the inside of the cover, not touching the grain. John S. Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx www.Sampsonbrothersloft.com (check us out) John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:15 AM To: Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx; PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: John, when we "heat up" my feed is stored in plastic (large) cans, I put one of the no pest strips on top resting on newspaper. I do not have the weevils and such hatching out. I was told by a feed store dealer the eggs are in the seed and there is no way to prevent it? I live in South Carolina, not quiet as hot as the deep south but hot enough! My question: has ANYONE done similar techniques and is there any danger to the birds? I have not noticed anything but again my name is not always at the top of the sheet....LOL. I need ever "edge" I can get! Thanks <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john sampson Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:58 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: My dealer buys trailer loads and passes some small savings on to us, not great, but some. However in the summer they keep too much grain on hand and it tends to get moths. I'd rather pay more and get grain that is turned over often in the hot months, I don't know how you guys down south handle the heat and grain, but moths in the grain are sure death to racing well. Brad Batty said not to use any feed with moths, he took all grain back from me that had moths, he said it's a respiratory thing they get ?????????????????? All I know is if your flying horrible when normally you fly good and have moths in your grain, look no further, It's the larve poop that does it, so if you use any oils, etc. all the poop will stick the grain, I found it by seeing it in the breeder grain trays which use no oils, it looks like brown pepper... John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: FW: Moyer Feed: ________________________________________ From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:52 PM To: 'Pigeon_Mailing_List' Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: Bob, did you ALSO get the increase in Jan. of 2008. Did they quote what percentages the new price would be? Thanks, <hta> ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ryan Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:06 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably two more increases this year ________________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
John, Do you know if the raptor migration has begun? Larry D.
Tommy, I place an open plastic water bottle filled with about 2" of gasoline in the feed can. Works here in Houston (the deep south) just fine. Best, Jerry Soignier -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:15 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: John, when we "heat up" my feed is stored in plastic (large) cans, I put one of the no pest strips on top resting on newspaper. I do not have the weevils and such hatching out. I was told by a feed store dealer the eggs are in the seed and there is no way to prevent it? I live in South Carolina, not quiet as hot as the deep south but hot enough! My question: has ANYONE done similar techniques and is there any danger to the birds? I have not noticed anything but again my name is not always at the top of the sheet....LOL. I need ever "edge" I can get! Thanks <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john sampson Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:58 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: My dealer buys trailer loads and passes some small savings on to us, not great, but some. However in the summer they keep too much grain on hand and it tends to get moths. I'd rather pay more and get grain that is turned over often in the hot months, I don't know how you guys down south handle the heat and grain, but moths in the grain are sure death to racing well. Brad Batty said not to use any feed with moths, he took all grain back from me that had moths, he said it's a respiratory thing they get ?????????????????? All I know is if your flying horrible when normally you fly good and have moths in your grain, look no further, It's the larve poop that does it, so if you use any oils, etc. all the poop will stick the grain, I found it by seeing it in the breeder grain trays which use no oils, it looks like brown pepper... John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: FW: Moyer Feed: ________________________________________ From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:52 PM To: 'Pigeon_Mailing_List' Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: Bob, did you ALSO get the increase in Jan. of 2008. Did they quote what percentages the new price would be? Thanks, <hta> ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ryan Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:06 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably two more increases this year ________________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
HI:
The color of a breast in a squab starts out the color
of veal and taste very much the same.
As soon as the squeaker starts moving; the muscle
tissue in the strands break in thousands of places,
and immediately repair and are replaced with a new
stronger denser muscle strand. This happens all over
the birds body to every muscle. However, the keel
supports the most muscle and permits an easy look at
the repair process of the muscle strands.
Color of the breast can tell you a lot about the bird.
It just takes practice and following stock from squab
to squeaker to YB, to mature stock to old bird.
Take a look at the breast color and tone before boxing
and look again after returning. It will not take long
to note differences.
Protein is very important to muscle development in
YB,s, "Pumpers" should be delivering max amounts to
the young as long as sufficient amounts of all other
vitamins and minerals are also being present in the
diet.
One of the first signs of being off balance in a feed
regiment is slowed growth in the young and poor
feathering. This will be followed by the flying stock
growing sluggish.
In normal light a healthy colony is in constant motion
and "never" stops talking even after dark and on
perch.
Keep them flying:
Jerry
Highland Loft
Harbor Springs, MI.
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Dropping Gas prices THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON. This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer, and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.19 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one. How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON / MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Keep it going. The ponzi scheme numbers make sense, but the fact that we might all send to the same people somewhat dilutes the possible outcome. Otherwise, it's worth a try. EXXON / MOBIL, in my mind, has mightily profiteered in the past years. A little "come upance" is overdue. In order to overcome the overlap, I have sent this on to more than 25 people.
HI:
Exactly:
Take some pure white, down sized, chestnut eyed
flathead working birds to a show and they will be
judged against homers.
Have several handlers take working stock to a show
along with a homemade standard and "maybe" they will
get some unofficial attention.
The NPA needs to officially adopt a standard for a
working class.
The nationals, independent clubs, specialty clubs have
for to long ignored the potential of the release
industry and their working birds at the shows.
The judges should be from the release industry or have
a competent knowledge of the working breed.
Keep them flying:
Jerry
Highland Loft
Harbor Springs, MI.
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The
AU does have a standard and a class for the Working Class. I know a
Homer that has been raced will not compete well against a non raced
Homer and many others know that as well. They will always be on the
slender side. There are only a few shows I will show my Racing Homers
in and that is only to support the club hosting the Show. Now if I
could show them against Diploma Birds that would be another story. But
most shows do not have enough entries to support the Breeder, Diploma
and Open Classes. The One Diploma Class I did enter, did not verify the
Diploma Birds. So I was not sure what I had shown against. If you have
read Dr Chalmers articles on Racing Homers, even he admits the Homer
that has raced will not show well against the Homer that has just had
an hour a day flight at home and he explains why.
If I were to Judge I would be more inclined to pick one that had been
raced as that is what I feel for in the Homers. I would like to
apprentice with a Racing Homer Judge. It would be interesting to learn
exactly what they look for. I have read the standard but need some
clarifications on it.
Kay
Oklahoma
Tommy, do you get many bags of feed at once? I have long since put all my flour, pasta, rice etc, in the freezer when I bring it home from the grocery store, for the same reason as the eggs that are in the seed. Just a couple days and the seeds should be taken care of. Do you have room to put your seed in for a couple days? -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:15 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: John, when we "heat up" my feed is stored in plastic (large) cans, I put one of the no pest strips on top resting on newspaper. I do not have the weevils and such hatching out. I was told by a feed store dealer the eggs are in the seed and there is no way to prevent it? I live in South Carolina, not quiet as hot as the deep south but hot enough! My question: has ANYONE done similar techniques and is there any danger to the birds? I have not noticed anything but again my name is not always at the top of the sheet....LOL. I need ever "edge" I can get! Thanks <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john sampson Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:58 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: My dealer buys trailer loads and passes some small savings on to us, not great, but some. However in the summer they keep too much grain on hand and it tends to get moths. I'd rather pay more and get grain that is turned over often in the hot months, I don't know how you guys down south handle the heat and grain, but moths in the grain are sure death to racing well. Brad Batty said not to use any feed with moths, he took all grain back from me that had moths, he said it's a respiratory thing they get ?????????????????? All I know is if your flying horrible when normally you fly good and have moths in your grain, look no further, It's the larve poop that does it, so if you use any oils, etc. all the poop will stick the grain, I found it by seeing it in the breeder grain trays which use no oils, it looks like brown pepper... John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tommy Axson Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:56 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: FW: Moyer Feed: ________________________________________ From: Tommy Axson [mailto:taxson@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:52 PM To: 'Pigeon_Mailing_List' Subject: RE: Moyer Feed: Bob, did you ALSO get the increase in Jan. of 2008. Did they quote what percentages the new price would be? Thanks, <hta> ________________________________________ From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ryan Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:06 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: puregrain prices are going up again on march 24 i just placed our bulk order and the salesman told me the 24th of march and probably two more increases this year ________________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
Yes they are moving big time, but only on southerly wind day so far. I Sent a chart but it will probably get kicked back. John S. WWW.Sampsonbrothers.com (check us out) Sampsonbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxx. -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Davis Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:10 AM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Migration John, Do you know if the raptor migration has begun? Larry D.
Forwarding
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Oh John L. Being a woman of color... I'd simply have to agree. Hah! LOL LOL LOL Lonette Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:34:03 EDT From: John Lucchese <PS259@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: White stock and all other colors -------------------------------1205915643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, It's true, too much protein will cause the skin to become dark on a pigeon. Then why do they sell race feed with 22.5% protein? Protein builds muscle. Does it then matter what color skin your pigeons have, if they are winning races with dark skin? Just wondering. John Lucchese
I agree with Jackie, There's always great stuff to learn about pigeons on here. Just because now and again folks have some good, clean fun doesn't mean these guys aren't as pro as you can get. Roll with the flow I say... lightens things up. JUST MY OPINION - but that would be my opinion wouldn't it????? Lonette Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:06:36 -0400 From: Robin Hooker <rrh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Joined to Learn This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C889B1.4D7921E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I joined this PML hoping to learn more about Pigeons, so far I have learned a little but mostly what I have found is bickering and battering in every other post. I was under the impression that the PML was a bunch of Professionals discussing pigeon issue so I could learn much. There is no need to reply to this post, that would just continue the problem, instead everyone should just start acting like professionals so that those of us who are not can get some good,useful information and stop wasting time reading garbage.
Charlie you rascal! You're a sweetie Charlie but boy... you, John L and Bruce are gonna get me in sooooo much trouble....BUT .... I love to stand on Harry's hands and wing slap him as often as possible! He likes it and I think it turns him on. Lonette Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:22:18 -0700 From: charles cole <lostplanetavrpl@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Lonette and Harry ,the odd couple LOL Harry joining PETA??? --0-1271211820-1205943738=:93128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit GOOD LORD HARRY!!!! I can't wait to see you at our next PETA meeting. We'll have a special place of honor all ready for you when you arrive.We'll be serving up lots of refreshments also. Maybe some nice tar and plenty of feathers to go with it.How does that sound?LOL I'm just messing with you,PETA already has you being watched and would never let you near one of their gatherings.LMAO!!! Sorry I couldn't resist saying that.( the devil made me do it ! OK? Seriously I have a great deal of respect for your knowledge of racing pigeons and our ideas on maintaining the health of the birds are truly on the same page,and I'll bet you are kind and caring with them,and are a big puppy dog toward you wife as well.LOL As for Lonette if she were a racing pigeon she'd be an all distance three time champion.it takes allot of passion and drive to accomplish all the things she has,and allot of brains to boot.Now with all of this comes a certain amount of temperment and feistyness,( just like the birds I talk about that have character.They will wiggle out of your hand then stand on it while they turn around and wing slap you, before they fly up to their nest. I really enjoy both of your posts and hope to continue to see both of you on the pigeon list for many years to come. In the words of Rodney King," can't we all just get along? Charlie
Hi Jim, I know what you're saying and Lord only knows we've had many heated discussions about this and probably will continue. I could only care for any bird and respect it's right to live and not be hurt... but everybody doesn't feel this way and I try not to make those who feel otherwise constantly mad at me by getting on my soap box about it... so relax guys....I won't! If Harry can go to charm-school - I can go to anger management-school! Thanks for your kind words Jim. Lonette Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:31:24 EDT From: Jim Frees <Kika796475@xxxxxxx> Subject: the movie is geat -------------------------------1205983884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lonette, as always you seem to come through with something for everyone. When a little boy I often though a pigeon would make a great pet. I was from a small town and not many pigeons around except the real wild ones in barns and you could not get close to them. I have always felt sad I was exposed to the use of them for dog training and shooting and I would take home the hurt ones to try and save with no luck. My own church here in traverse city had their pigeons poisoned out of the bell tower. Every time I do a dove release there, I still think about the helpless birds flopping around. Your link to the Jenner movie is great and hope lots more people see it, and try some of those projects. The Park Place Hotel in Traverse City here has had pigeon 10 floors up on the roof for 80 years. They don't kill them, and they don't feed them. They did, by decree of the new management team order a complete covering of all air conditions fan etc on the roof top so the baby pigeons would not get killed by being caught in them. I have pigeon friends that kill pigeons and get paid for it. I have pigeon friends???? that pull the head of a bird if it doesn't win at a show. I know a flyer that shoots his pigeon on a race if it doesn't go right in the loft so it wins. There has been talk on here about a sports illustrated mag that shed a bad light on pigeon racing and now the nice one on the discovery channel that promotes races in a better light. PML is a pretty balanced posting area of thoughts and learning, Thanks for being here and posting. Jim Frees
When I am breeding I give the breeders excess amounts of protein
to sustain them and build healthy babies. Once the YB's are weaned I
cut them back on the protein and add exercise just good maintenance to
build them up. As the racing and heavy training begins I increase the
carbs to build up stamina and staying power. The protein at 10 to 14 %
is sufficient for them. Slow release carbs will get them home on those
long races where protein is eaten up fast and then they will just plain
crash.
Kind of like a body builder . He will eat tons of muscle building
protein and have huge muscles but, get him to dig a ditch for 8 hours
a day and he will crash before the skinny guy eating slow released
carbs. Muscle needs energy and protein does not provide that energy it
only builds but doesn't maintain steady muscle usage like carbohydrates
.
Agree or disagree (my opinion based on personal experience...)
Richard
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Be assured, I wrote down everything that I gave them in my notebook,
and will keep the same regimen again this year"
John L, how can I get a peek at that notebook? David R.
Jackie, way too much to put in "chest type" freezer, I do keep the high priced seeds in there, hemp, p-nuts etc. The "no pest" strips work, I was just checking to make sure I was not harming the birds. I NEVER let it touch the seeds but let it lay on the newspapers that rest on top of the feed. Thanks, Jerry I'll pass on the gasoline, after 33 years with the Fire Dept. I "respect" that hazardous material FULLY! I have seen some very tragic results with the mishandling of gasoline (so I hope everyone will be careful if they use this procedure). I will keep it in mind if my "no pest" strips fail me. If anyone was interested in the calcium chips I ask about? They are NOT needed if you supply them with oyster shells they have basically the same calcium content. The dollars I paid for the bag was worth it, NOW I know ! <hta> -----Original Message----- From: Pigeon_Mailing_List [mailto:PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Greenough Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:22 PM To: PIGEONS-LIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Moyer Feed: Tommy, do you get many bags of feed at once? I have long since put all my flour, pasta, rice etc, in the freezer when I bring it home from the grocery store, for the same reason as the eggs that are in the seed. Just a couple days and the seeds should be taken care of. Do you have room to put your seed in for a couple days? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
Richard,
I cannot speak to your personal experience, but what you are stating
flies in the face of science. There are two types of muscle fiber, red
fiber and white fiber. In humans the are found in various percentages,
as much as 90% of one and 10% of the other, to the exact opposite. Top
Athletes in both running and cycling have muscle biopsies to determine
what distance race they should participate in. Racing pigeons all have
90% red and 10% white, more or less. Their white muscle fiber burns
glycogen, their red, fat. When you feed carbohydrate, their liver has
to convert it to fat. They can convert muscle and burn that also, which
is what happens when a bird is flown down. It would be better to feed
more fat and make it easier on the liver, but too much fat can cause a
problem also. Dr. Chalmers has published articles on this subject, and
can explain it much better than I.
David. |