Yes, that IS annoying. At least when it remains on screen for so long. My cable co. does that with their boxes, you change a channel and it's this huge banner at the bottom that covers the picture that remains forever. But with Gemstar (as you know) it's small, at the top, and only remains for about a second. (Ironically, the new TV I got my mother won't work with the cable co. box, NOTHING is ever displayed on the screen! Not even the program guide!) Ben according to this page, our cards ARE supported. 8500, and later. http://www.chris-tv.com/cards.html#other I guess it's not free, right? -Clint Happy New Year to all and God Bless Clint Hamilton, Owner www.OrpheusComputing.com www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Moore" Oh well. Boy do we get spoiled. I have a TV in my house that I didn't want to pay to get a digital box for so I don't get the pop up on the TV about what is playing on each channel. I miss it. How did we survive is the old days when you had to look in the TV guide? ;-) You may find some tuner software that supports the 350. Most of them support the 550. I just looked at ChrisTV. They don't list our older chips at all, just the 550 and the 650. Ben -----Original Message----- Sorry what I meant was I want to see what's coming on by "clicking a button" like I currently do......or did. Something that can be integrated with the ATI MMC like Guide Plus is. Like when you change channels you see the program's name on the screen. I'll have to be looking for something like that. The chip info isn't even in the manual, it's an "R350" but I don't know if that's Rage, Rage Theater, Rage Theater Pro, etc. It's not very new, it's an old card, AGP 8x. Not PCI Express. It came out shortly after yours. -Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Moore" Sorry it's not working, Clint. If you just want to see what's coming on there are a couple of web sites that have full tv listings. www.titantv.com is very good. It's the one I use. It's the one the my cable tv company uses for their channel guide. Really configurable and fast. www.zap2it.com is another although I don't like them as much. I don't ever use gemstar/guideplus anymore. Of course if your internet connection is down, it doesn't work. But where I live, it the internet connection is down, everything else is usually down too. As far as other tv tuner software, it depends which chipset is in that 9800. The 9800 is probably new enough to be compatible with most programs. Ben -----Original Message----- A day later and it still doesn't work. It's been about a week now so it's got be more than a server issue, plus you can update yours which doesn't make a lot of sense. I know there's other software out there to replace it, that's why I asked if anyone was using something to replace Gemstar/Guide Plus and it worked, which would save me a lot of time. ;-) The only thing I use the software for is just to see what's coming on, the program guide. But recently I did try and record something (but it didn't work), so being able to schedule a recording would be nice. BTW I'm using an AIW 9800 Pro if that makes any difference chip-wise as to what software will work with it. -Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Moore" I would wait a bit, Clint. I've had all those things happen to me, cannot connect to server, no updates for that time period, etc. I've never tried to fix the software. I just wait... And eventually they fix their end of it. I think this company must do software maintenance every couple of weeks. I do my recording using Snapstream Beyond TV with a haupage tuner card on another computer. It might also be a DNS problem if they've changed and it hasn't propagated to all the servers yet. There are other TV software programs out there. You know the drill. Google and then start trying them. I did that a couple of years ago and had problems finding any of them that supported the hardware chip on my AIW 8500. Some of them support newer AIW cards. Chris TV is one that I know of. Snapstream is another. I'll tell you right now that snapstream won't let you watch in real time. It does that delay that you didn't like in the newer ATI software. If you find software that you like, let us know. Ben ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. To unsubscribe, subscribe, set Digest or Vacation to on or off, go to //www.freelists.org/list/pcworks . You can also send an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with Unsubscribe in the subject line. Your member list settings can be found at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/l=pcworks . Once logged in, you have access to numerous other email options. The list archives are located at //www.freelists.org/archives/pcworks/ . All email posted to the list will be placed there in the event anyone needs to look for previous posts. -zxdjhu-