thanks Mike. I had done this goggle search too & clicked on a few of the ones that came up & tried there fixes, but none worked for me. I have updated the video card & cleaned house ( per say) going a step at a time... seems my gremlins sneak out every 8 to 10 months... so it must be that time??? I do delete all the extra garbage that builds up, every night, so I know that is not the problem... it is a head scratcher !! thanks Faythe -- <Please delete this line and everything below.> To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/