sorry as had gone to bed shortly after sending my request - I didn't have a screen saver on as thought about that also so have no idea what was running in the background. I've had that suggestion before - i.e. run defrag in safe mode - but I don't know how to get there - the only choice I have is DOS and in there it tells me it can't do it because it needs Windows - I have learned a lot since my first computer but have SO much more to learn :-( Remember I'm using 98SE. Would appreciate instructions of how to go into safe mode. Thanks for the url - I've got it bookmarked as would continue to be an excellent source if I added any other programs. Dolores ----- Original Message ----- From: "DavisUnit" <davist@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Help on defrag and what's needed in msconfig After eliminating everything except Systray/Explorer to get defrag going, the screen saver still may have caused restarts, and the easiest way to get around all these things is restart pc and run defrag in Safe Mode. Going through your entire list of apps running at startup is best by looking at this excellent webpage: http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_pages/startup_all.php Terry http://www.unlimited-mail.com To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ For more info: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk