-=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox sux; anyone use Crazy Browser?
- From: Skip <chazzlee@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:35:44 -0500
Firefox sux; -way too many *&%^^ software killing updates!
Does Chrome work any better?
-Also, anyone use Crazy Browser?
Greywoulf
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> pctechtalk Digest Sun, 13 Jan 2013 Volume: 11 Issue: 010
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> In This Issue:
> -=PCTechTalk=- I E 8 is getting old
> -=PCTechTalk=- Re: I E 8 is getting old
> -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 (and Google) updates suck big
> -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 (and Google) updates suck big
> -=PCTechTalk=- Re: I E 8 is getting old
> -=PCTechTalk=- PSA: Java Exploit (Threat-level critical)
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> From: HandsomeBlck@xxxxxxx
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:27:24 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- I E 8 is getting old
>
> Hello all,
> I'm starting to get notice from web sites saying my browser is too old.
> What do you guys think a good upgrade would be for me? Running XP Home.
> Thanks,
>
> HB
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "RecklessMaverick" <recklessmaverick@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: I E 8 is getting old
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:44:57 -0500
>
> I'm getting the same thing and I use IE 8. If MS ever restores control of
> the toolbars to what it was in IE8, then and ONLY then will I upgrade. I
> will NOT upgrade to 9 nor will I use Firefox. If a website decides they
> don't like IE 8 then they decide they don't like me. I avoid websites that
> don't like me.
>
> I may try Chrome, but like Firefox they do updates more often than most men
> change their underwear. If they built a good quality product to begin with
> they would not need to update their product so much and all the add-ons and
> extensions would not need to be constantly updated.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of HandsomeBlck@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:27 AM
> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- I E 8 is getting old
>
> Hello all,
> I'm starting to get notice from web sites saying my browser is too old.
> What do you guys think a good upgrade would be for me? Running XP Home.
> Thanks,
>
> HB
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:47:35 -0500
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 (and Google) updates suck big time!
> From: Skip <chazzlee@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Yep! Totally agree!
> And the other pest is Google..! Every time I open it up it seems they feel
> they have an obligation to remind me that I'm not using the "latest"
> browser and perhaps I should switch to Google Chrome!
> I mean, who in hell gave these guys (Firefox and Google) the right to keep
> insisting on *our* PCs that we update to their latest (often inferior)
> product release? -Do they really think we are too stupid to know what we
> want on our own computers???
> An informative single, one time pop-up stating a new release is available
> *if
> we wanted it *should be more than enough... There should be some kind of
> law against these annoying attempts by software companies to try and force
> people to use their products!
> Also, if anyone on this list has any knowledge of how to change settings
> and things in a PC to prevent these constantly annoying "reminders"(?) to
> update things, I'd appreciate it very much..!
> Thanks,
> Greywoulf
>
>
> From: "cristy" <poppy0206@xxxxxxx>
>
> > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 sux big time!
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:44:04 -0500
> >
> > Hi Greywolf,
> >
> > FF keeps bugging me too for updates and I want it to stop. I've had
> issues
> > with their updates in the past too.
> >
> > Christy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Skip" <chazzlee@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:11 PM
> > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Firefox 18 sux big time!
> >
> >
> > Firefox 18 sux!
> > I innocently let FF update itself to ver 18, forgetting the troubles I've
> > had with FF's so-called "improvements" before!
> > Sure enough, all of a sudden my printer software would not print anything
> > legible (if at all?) from the web. Mowever my own hard drive stored
> files,
> > they still printed fine!
> > So I uninstalled FF 18 and went back to ver 3.6.17., and everything's
> > normal again!
> > I think I'm gonna forget about there updates from now on. -Is there a way
> > to disable their pestering pop-ups re their 'update' nonsense?
> > Thanks,
> > Greywoulf
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "RecklessMaverick" <recklessmaverick@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 (and Google) updates suck big time!
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:58:32 -0500
>
> You could try using an entry in your HOSTS file but that might also stop
> other desirable data from getting through also.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Skip
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:48 PM
> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 (and Google) updates suck big time!
>
> Yep! Totally agree!
> And the other pest is Google..! Every time I open it up it seems they feel
> they have an obligation to remind me that I'm not using the "latest"
> browser and perhaps I should switch to Google Chrome!
> I mean, who in hell gave these guys (Firefox and Google) the right to keep
> insisting on *our* PCs that we update to their latest (often inferior)
> product release? -Do they really think we are too stupid to know what we
> want on our own computers???
> An informative single, one time pop-up stating a new release is available
> *if we wanted it *should be more than enough... There should be some kind
> of
> law against these annoying attempts by software companies to try and force
> people to use their products!
> Also, if anyone on this list has any knowledge of how to change settings
> and
> things in a PC to prevent these constantly annoying "reminders"(?) to
> update
> things, I'd appreciate it very much..!
> Thanks,
> Greywoulf
>
>
> From: "cristy" <poppy0206@xxxxxxx>
>
> > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Firefox 18 sux big time!
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:44:04 -0500
> >
> > Hi Greywolf,
> >
> > FF keeps bugging me too for updates and I want it to stop. I've had
> > issues with their updates in the past too.
> >
> > Christy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Skip" <chazzlee@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:11 PM
> > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Firefox 18 sux big time!
> >
> >
> > Firefox 18 sux!
> > I innocently let FF update itself to ver 18, forgetting the troubles
> > I've had with FF's so-called "improvements" before!
> > Sure enough, all of a sudden my printer software would not print
> > anything legible (if at all?) from the web. Mowever my own hard drive
> > stored files, they still printed fine!
> > So I uninstalled FF 18 and went back to ver 3.6.17., and everything's
> > normal again!
> > I think I'm gonna forget about there updates from now on. -Is there a
> > way to disable their pestering pop-ups re their 'update' nonsense?
> > Thanks,
> > Greywoulf
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "rudy" <rudylopeznc@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: I E 8 is getting old
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:00:49 -0500
>
> I switched to Google Chrome from Firefox......not bad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <HandsomeBlck@xxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:27 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- I E 8 is getting old
>
>
> > Hello all,
> > I'm starting to get notice from web sites saying my browser is too old.
> > What do you guys think a good upgrade would be for me? Running XP Home.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > HB
> >
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:28:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: LARRY SOUTHERLAND <larrysoutherland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- PSA: Java Exploit (Threat-level critical)
>
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> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-java-exploit/
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> On Thursday, the world learned that attackers were breaking into computers
> using
> a previously undocumented security hole in Java, a program that is
> installed on
> hundreds of millions of computers worldwide. This post aims to answer
> some of
> the most frequently asked questions about the vulnerability, and to
> outline
> simple steps that users can take to protect themselves.
> Q: What is Java, anyway?
> A: Java is a programming language and computing platform that powers
> programs
> including utilities, games, and business applications. According to Java
> maker
> Oracle Corp., Java runs on more than 850 million personal computers
> worldwide,
> and on billions of devices worldwide, including mobile and TV devices. It
> is
> required by some Web sites that use it to run interactive games and
> applications.
> Q: So what is all the fuss about?
> A: Researchers have discovered that cybercrooks are attacking a previously
> unknown security hole in Java 7 that can be used to seize control over a
> computer if a user visits a compromised or malicious Web site.
> Q: Yikes. How do I protect my computer?
> A: The version of Java that runs on most consumer PCs includes a browser
> plug-in. According to researchers at Carnegie Mellon Universitys CERT,
> unplugging the Java plugin from the browser essentially prevents
> exploitation
> of the vulnerability. Not long ago, disconnecting Java from the browser
> was not
> straightforward, but with the release of the latest version of Java 7
> Update
> 10 Oracle included a very simple method for removing Java from the
> browser.
> You can find their instructions for doing this here.
> Q: How do I know if I have Java installed, and if so, which version?
> A: The simplest way is to visit this link and click the Do I have Java
> link,
> just below the big red Download Java button.
> Q: Im using Java 6. Does that mean I dont have to worry about this?
> A: There have been conflicting findings on this front. The description of
> this
> bug at the National Vulnerability Database (NVD), for example, states that
> the
> vulnerability is present in Java versions going back several years,
> including
> version 4 and 5. Analysts at vulnerability research firm Immunity say the
> bug
> could impact Java 6 and possibly earlier versions. But Will Dormann, a
> security
> expert whos been examining this flaw closely for CERT, said the NVDs
> advisory
> is incorrect: CERT maintains that this vulnerability stems from a
> component that
> Oracle introduced with Java 7. Dormann points to a detailed technical
> analysis
> of the Java flaw by Adam Gowdiak of Security Explorations, a security
> research
> team that has alerted Java maker Oracle about a large number of flaws in
> Java.
> Gowdiak says Oracle tried to fix this particular flaw in a previous
> update but
> failed to address it completely.
> Either way, its important not to get too hung up on which versions are
> affected, as this could become a moving target. Also, a new zero-day flaw
> is
> discovered in Java several times a year. Thats why Ive urged readers to
> either uninstall Java completely or unplug it from the browser no matter
> what
> version youre using.
>
> Q: A site I use often requires the Java plugin to be enabled. What should
> I do?
> A: You could downgrade to Java 6, but that is not a very good solution.
> Oracle
> will stop supporting Java 6 at the end of February 2013, and will soon be
> transitioning Java 6 users to Java 7 anyway. If you need Java for
> specific Web
> sites, a better solution is to adopt a two-browser approach. If you
> normally
> browse the Web with Firefox, for example, consider disabling the Java
> plugin in
> Firefox, and then using an alternative browser (Chrome, IE9, Safari,
> etc.) with
> Java enabled to browse only the site(s) that require(s) it.
> Q: I am using a Mac, so I should be okay, right?
> A: Not exactly. Experts have found that this flaw in Java 7 can be
> exploited to
> foist malware on Mac and Linux systems, in addition to Microsoft Windows
> machines. Java is made to run programs across multiple platforms, which
> makes
> it especially dangerous when new flaws in it are discovered. For
> instance, the
> Flashback worm that infected more than 600,000 Macs wiggled into OS X
> systems
> via a Java flaw. Oracles instructions include advice on how to unplug
> Java from
> Safari. I should note that Apple has not provided a version of Java for
> OS X
> beyond 6, but users can still download and install Java 7 on Mac systems.
> However, it appears that in response to this threat, Apple has taken
> steps to
> block Java from running on OS X systems.
> Q: I dont browse random sites or visit dodgy porn sites, so I shouldnt
> have to
> worry about this, correct?
> A: Wrong. This vulnerability is mainly being exploited by exploit packs,
> which
> are crimeware tools made to be stitched into Web sites so that when
> visitors
> come to the site with vulnerable/outdated browser plugins (like this Java
> bug),
> the site can silently install malware on the visitors PC. Exploit packs
> can be
> just as easily stitched into porn sites as they can be inserted into
> legitimate, hacked Web sites. All it takes is for the attackers to be
> able to
> insert one line of code into a compromised Web site.
> Q: Ive read in several places that this is the first time that the U.S.
> government has urged computer users to remove or wholesale avoid using a
> particular piece of software because of a widespread threat. Is this true?
> A: Not really. During previous high-alert situations, CERT has advised
> Windows
> users to avoid using Internet Explorer. In this case, CERT is not really
> recommending that users uninstall Java: just that users unplug Java from
> their
> Web browser.
> Q: Im pretty sure that my Windows PC has Java installed, but I cant
> seem to
> locate the Java Control Panel from the Windows Start Menu or Windows
> Control
> Panel. What gives?
> A: According to CERTs Dormann, due to what appears to potentially be a
> bug in
> the Java installer, the Java Control Panel applet may be missing on some
> Windows systems. In such cases, the Java Control Panel applet may be
> launched
> by finding and executing javacpl.exe manually. This file is likely to be
> found
> in C:\Program Files\Java\jre7\bin or C:\Program Files
> (x86)\Java\jre7\bin.
> Q: I cant remember the last time I used Java, and it doesnt look like I
> even
> need this program anymore. Should I keep it?
> A: Java is not as widely used as it once was, and most users probably can
> get
> by without having the program installed at all. I have long recommended
> that
> users remove Java unless they have a specific use for it. If you discover
> later
> that you really do need Java, it is trivial and free to reinstall it.
> Q: This is all well and good advice for consumers, but I manage many PCs
> in a
> business environment. Is there a way to deploy Java but keep the plugin
> disconnected from the browser?
> A: CERT advises that system administrators wishing to deploy Java 7
> Update 10
> or later with the Enable Java content in the browser feature disabled
> can
> invoke the Java installer with the WEB_JAVA=0 command-line option. More
> details
> are available in the Java documentation.
> Q: Okay, I think Im covered on Java. But what about Javascript?
> A: Because of the unfortunate similarity of their names, many people
> confuse
> Java with Javascript. But these are two completely different things. Most
> Web
> sites use JavaScript, a powerful scripting language that helps make sites
> interactive. Unfortunately, a huge percentage of Web-based attacks use
> JavaScript tricks to foist malicious software and exploits onto site
> visitors.
> To protect yourself, it is critically important to have an easy method of
> selecting which sites should be allowed to run JavaScript in the browser.
> It is
> true that selectively allowing JavaScript on known, safe sites wont
> block
> all malicious scripting attacks: Even legitimate sites sometimes end up
> running
> malicious code when scammers figure out ways to sneak tainted, bogus ads
> into
> the major online ad networks. But disallowing JavaScript by default and
> selectively enabling it for specific sites remains a much safer option
> than
> letting all sites run JavaScript unrestricted all the time.
> Firefox has many extensions and add-ons that make surfing the Web a safer
> experience. One extension that I have found indispensable is NoScript.
> This
> extension lets the user decide which sites should be allowed to run
> JavaScript,
> including Flash Player content. Users can choose to allow specific
> exceptions
> either permanently or for a single browsing session.
> Chrome also includes similar script- and Flash blocking functionality that
> seems designed to minimize some of these challenges by providing fewer
> options.
> If you tell Chrome to block JavaScript on all sites by default, when you
> browse
> to a site that uses JavaScript, the upper right corner of the browser
> displays
> a box with a red X through it. If you click that and select Always
> allow
> JavaScript on [site name] it will permanently enable JavaScript for that
> site,
> but it doesnt give you the option to block third-party JavaScript
> content on
> the site as Noscript does. In my testing, I had to manually refresh the
> page
> before Chrome allowed scripting on a site that Id just whitelisted. In
> addition, there is a very handy add-on for Chrome called NotScripts that
> works
> very much like Noscript.
> Selectively script blocking can take some getting used to. Most
> script-blocking
> add-ons will disable scripting by default on Web sites that you have not
> added
> to your trusted list. In some cases, it may take multiple tries to get a
> site
> that makes heavy use of Javascript to load properly.
> Internet Explorer allows users to block scripts, but even the latest
> version of
> IE still doesnt give the user much choice in handling JavaScript. In
> IE9, you
> can select among JavaScript on, off, or prompting you to load JavaScript.
> Turning JavaScript off isnt much of an option, but leaving it completely
> open
> is unsafe. Choosing the Prompt option does nothing but serve incessant
> pop-up
> prompts to allow or disallow scripts (see the video below). The lack of a
> simpler approach to script blocking in IE is one of the main reasons I
> continue
> to steer readers toward Firefox and Chrome.
>
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