Hi Robert, Monday, June 7, 2004, 9:36:13 PM, you wrote: RM> We used to use it a lot in the 486 and Pentium days with the smaller hdd's RM> but haven't used it for a long time. As mentioned, it takes a long time, RM> all night or longer on a 30 -40 gig drive. Maybe the brand new one is RM> faster. Also don't seem to need them as much with the new drives either or RM> with NTFS I am not sure which is the case. Also Hdd drive manufactures now RM> have their own diagnostic programs for their drives. Anyway I mentioned to RM> the other tech a month or so ago about getting an upgrade and he didn't RM> think it would be worth it for us. I used to use it also, and it was great for the older pre-IDE drives. Modern drives have defect management built in as well as failure prediction. So, I'm basically in agreement; there's little need for it nowadays. --Scott. -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.