It seems you have highlighted a problem we all need to deal with. A valued member asked to be removed from the list today because of the ranting by certain members. Therefore, please note: Anyone using this list for anything other than its intended purpose- to help others, risks being removed. This is a forum for PC help. It requires cooperation, communication and consideration by all. It is not a personal soap box, no matter how deeply felt the issue. Ed and others have made that quite clear. The list will continue as long as these things are respected by members. Should it become any worse, I will consider shutting down the service alltogether. edwestern wrote: >My turn to rant:~ ) >I am really tired of attempting to help different ones on this group & never >receiving a response. My attempts are not long affairs. I don't scattershoot >problems. I ask questions. I try to get to the heart of the problem. Maybe I'm >not as smart as these other guys but I want to completely understand the >problem & its causatives, so I need your input. Computers are not toasters. >They are unique in some respects to each user. If you want quick fixes, go to >an allopathic doc & ask for a pill. If you appreciate the help EACH of us >try's to give than please respond. I have seen too much "ink" & time & effort >wasted because the true problem was not understood. >Rant over. > -- Regards, John Durham <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> ICQ number 112663246 Fax/Phone 64 4 5286786 Award winning web site at http://modecideas.com?sig Order my latest e-book at http://modecideas.com/dmaxhits.htm?sig PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied. -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.