Greetings All, After an exchange with Dave Hewitt over the Canada Goose filter settings for Klamath County, I took a spin through the filter settings for all 36 of Oregon's counties looking specifically at "Canada Goose" and "Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima). To be brutally frank, they are a mess. Below is a listing of the primary problems. 1. Many counties seem to have a filter setting that was copied from another county rather than based on the reality of what one might expect to actually find in that county. It is common to see the Canada Goose filter set at 2000 and the (moffitti/maxima) filter set at 350. Filters should be set in a way that reflects the reality of what one might expect to find in that county. In many of the counties with this setting, I think you would be hard-pressed to find even 500 Canada Geese in a single day any time of year. 2. Following up on the copy cat setting above: In the vast majority of these counties, only (moffiti/maxima) occurs, so where do the other 1650 birds come from? If you have both a species and one or more subspecies listed with filters set above zero. The big number (in this case straight Canada Goose) should approximate the sum total of all the little numbers (those set for various Canada Goose subspecies). If the only Canadas in your county are large pale-breasted birds (moffitti/maxima), then doesn't it make sense for the filter setting for the default subspecies to match or be pretty darn close to the filter setting for just the species? 3. Filter levels for Canada Goose are generally too high. There are a number of counties with the Canada Goose filter set at 10,000 during the winter months. I have spent a lot of time looking at white-cheeked geese and I have birded in all of Oregon's 36 counties. I've never seen anywhere near 10,000 Canada Geese in one county in a single day. I suppose if you were able to drive around and see all of the Canada Geese in Klamath County or all of the Canada Geese on Sauvie Island during the winter months, you might approach a tally of 10,000, but it would take some doing. Setting the number this high allows users to mis-report Cackling Geese as Canadas. Seeing 10,000+ Cackling Geese in a day is pretty easy to do in every Willamette Valley county with the possible exception of Clackamas and it's tough in Linn. Even when the Dusky Canadas are in for the winter, seeing more than 1000 Canadas in a day in most Willamette Valley counties is a challenge. Aside from Klamath County, I think one would be hard-pressed to find 1000 in any of the other eastside counties regardless of the time of year. 4. Knowing the subspecies and their distribution. I noticed that both the Jackson and Josephine County checklists include "Canada Goose (occidentalis/fulva)" with a filter setting of 100 from October–March and yet "Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) does not appear in the checklist for either county. I haven't done a lot of winter birding in these counties, but I know that moffitti/maxima are resident in these counties and that any other taxa of white-cheeked geese, including Dusky Canada, are quite sparse. I have a hard time believing that Dusky Canada is at all regular in the upper Rogue and Illinois valleys and I would be shocked to see more than a small group (5-10 birds) of this form in that part of Oregon. The total population of Dusky Canada Goose numbers fewer than 10,000 birds based on the most recent reports that I can find. Nearly all of these birds winter between Ridgefield NWR in SW Washington and Eugene, with perhaps 1000-1500 wintering on the northern Oregon Coast (mostly Tillamook and Clatsop counties). Even in Eugene, finding 100 Duskies in a day is tough. I encourage each of you to take a critical look at the Canada Goose and Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) settings in your respective counties and then compare them with the numbers that you are actually seeing. I would say that away from the Willamette Valley and the northern coast counties, the Canada Goose and Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) filter settings should be nearly identical. This is a species and group of associated subspecies that reflects how inconsistent our filter settings are at times. If you need help or want recommendations for the settings in your county, don't hesitate to ask me. Dave Irons