But wait, now we are getting into other problems. The object of the optimizer is to determine the optimal physical access path to the data, in order to return our desired result set. There are always numerous ways to ask the same query. There are different SQL syntaxes which will always return identical result sets. An ideal optimizer will be aware of these identities and always use the same, optimal, execution plan regardless of how we phrased the query. Performance shouldn't be dependent on how we write the queries. It has been in the past as optimizers aren't perfect, but the goal is to move away from this. If we can decide that the optimizer needs to be aware of the parenthesis, we are now saying that we want our syntax to influence the execution plan and hence performance. Ugh!! Henry -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Stephen.Lee@xxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:39 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: to_number question I think at the heart of the argument that the error should not occur (at least MY opinion) is that we CAN impose an order on processing so that (A or B) and C is not the same as A or (B and C), and the RDBMS is not allowed to throw away the parenthesis and do the processing in any way it chooses. So at least some folk around here don't like the fact that it is OK for the RDBMS to "throw away the parenthesis" in the case of a subquery when an optimizer that is too smart for its britches can form a logically equivalent query ... assuming no errors occur. Maybe it's a purely pragmatic thing based on what gives the best performance most of the time. Whatever the reason, I haven't been convinced that it has any basis in relational theory. It seems to be nothing more than a specification. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------