I think the point people are trying to make is:
1) Your developers use SQL Developer to do their job.
2) When they think something is ready to go live they test the "final"
script in SQL*Plus or SQLcl.
I don't think that is a lot of ask. They are developers, and it is their
job to produce code that can be deployed. They can't just throw it over the
fence and say, "Not my problem!"
Your company should have coding standards, and this could be covered in
those coding standards. If you don;t have coding standards, your developers
are not "real" developers.
Cheers
Tim...
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:40 PM Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
By the way, I am not very familiar with sql developer but I just tested
this and it does not run as script unless I add semicolon and back slash
select 1 from dual
declare
var1 varchar2(1);
begin
select 1
into var1
from dual;
end;
So it seems to me that to run sql scripts at the end of the day sql
developer is the same as sqlplus which needs terminators?
Thanks
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:18 PM Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
but SQLCl is CLI correct?
Thanks
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:58 PM Jeff Smith <jeff.d.smith@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Sure it does, SQLcl and SQLDev use the exact same script engine.
*From:* Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 2:39 PM
*To:* Jeff Smith <jeff.d.smith@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Cc:* Oracle Mailinglist <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: sql developer vs sqlplus sql and plsql syntax
Hi
That does make any difference, developers wants to use GUI, not CLI
unfortunately
BR
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 5:59 PM Jeff Smith <jeff.d.smith@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Or…ask the DBAs to meet their developers half way and start using SQLcl
to do the pushes to prod.
There are SET commands you can use to define what statement delimiters
you want, but again, at the end of the day, if you’re not testing it
exactly as it’s going to run in production, that’s FAIL.
*From:* Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 10:09 AM
*To:* Jeff Smith <jeff.d.smith@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Cc:* Oracle Mailinglist <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: sql developer vs sqlplus sql and plsql syntax
Hi
"*If you know the DBAs are using SQL*Plus to roll out updates, then the
developers need to USE SQL*Plus for testing their scripts. It’s that
simple.*"
Yes, that is being asked, the developers MUST test their scripts with
SQLPLUS otherwise there is no way to automate updates. But the developers
have never used SQLPLUS so it is very hard to ask them to move from GUI to
CLI. So I was thinking if SQL developer could configure in such a way so
semicolon and backslash can be forced...
BR
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:41 PM Jeff Smith <jeff.d.smith@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
If you ever want to talk to me, feel free to contact me directly
Jeff.d.smith@xxxxxxxxxx
*DBA team and the developers because the developers write codes in SQL
developer then they upload them as script for the DBA to run in the
test/prod environment which all fails (and plsql objects not created)
obecause DBA's uses SQLPLUS and because most SQL execution request are
batched with SQLPLUS.*
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Bad, bad, bad. Developers and DBAs need to agree on
the requirements for production rollouts/promoting code.
If you know the DBAs are using SQL*Plus to roll out updates, then the
developers need to USE SQL*Plus for testing their scripts. It’s that simple.
The DBAs should have figured out by now what was going on and had some
checks in place to prevent this from happening accidently. This is more of
a communication issue than a tooling issue.
Jeff
*From:* Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:19 PM
*To:* Oracle Mailinglist <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* sql developer vs sqlplus sql and plsql syntax
Hi
This is for Jeff Smith! :-)
I would like to know why SQL Developer allow people to execute SQL code
without semicolon and PLSQL code with backslash? (OK TOAD does the same
thing but it is not made by Oracle)
For example code such as this works in SQL developer
-- semicolon missing
select * from dba_users
-- backslash missing
declare
l_a number;
begin
select 1 into l_a from dual;
end;
-- backslash missing
create or replace procedure p_test
is
l_a number;
begin
select 1 into l_a from dual;
end;
This is causing some serious conflicts between DBA team and the
developers because the developers write codes in SQL developer then they
upload them as script for the DBA to run in the test/prod environment which
all fails (and plsql objects not created) obecause DBA's uses SQLPLUS and
because most SQL execution request are batched with SQLPLUS.
The developers claim if the code runs in SQL developer it must run in
SQLPLUS because it is a tool from Oracle. Is there a way to configure SQL
Developer so it can have the same behaviour as SQLPLUS?
Thanks
