I suspect many on this list may have a problem with some of the attitudes surrounding this particular methodology. Eg: "We took a pretty radical stand: Stored procedures and all things that make your database clever are evil" - David Heinemeier Hansson Creator, Ruby on Rails http://news.com.com/Ruby+on+Rails+chases+simplicity+in+programming/2100-1007_3- 5920169.html?tag=nefd.lede A LOT of things go over well with Java developers, OODBMS being an example. I think the data management crowd may have a slightly different view of this latest, greatest solution to all our programming problems... [Disclaimer: I develop in Java too!] cheers, Anthony Quoting Ryan <ryan_gaffuri@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > I just saw a demo for a new language and framework called 'Ruby on Rails'. > Its pretty close to being a 4GL web environment. No drag and drop screens > yet(supposedly will be around June 2006). The demo was simplistic, but I can > see the potential. The presentation was to a room full of java developers and > it went over very well. > > It appears to be far more productive than java. > > You guys may want to seriously check this out... -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l