I'd add one more line .. " and do all this before you send out any email to end users". Raj On 8/4/05, Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Thanks Matthew. > > Actually this person has been through the complete round of Oracle > training. However, I think you are right - I should have said here is > the problem - put together your recommendation and how you wish to > implemenet the solution. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parker, Matthew [mailto:matthewp@xxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:09 AM > To: Stankus, Paula G; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: dba mgt woes > > So you might start by not recommending a certain route and let the > Junior dba spread their wings a bit in participating in making the > decision, instead of you making it for them. It would probably short > circuit the next item ( he immediately writes the recommendation to > users), since he probably will not want to stick his neck out in front > of end users until he has a working solution. Also if they are not > experienced in these areas you might have to change your training > tactics. Although you can be commended for taking the initiative when > you started out, people are different and learning tactics that worked > for you, do not always work for others. Sometimes it is helpful to send > people to training, along with periods of work in the area after each > training session to reinforce what they were taught. > I have found it useful in cases to take a complex script that you > already have and break it down into it's component parts and hand those > equivalent tasks to the Junior DBA: > > Connect to database. > Execute query. > Put results from database into a file or into a variable and then > perform basic manipulations on that data set. > Loops > Executions of OS commands. > > You might give them training pages on the web to point to, then once > they have performed some basics tasks, you can point them to already > built script and have them break it down into what is being performed > and why. > > If you want to teach others, then you as the teacher must make the extra > effort to bridge the gap for the student. There is also a point that you > may determine the person is not suited for this career, but that is a > long way off, after much frustration and self reflection as to why your > teaching methods are not working. > > -----Original Message----- > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:33 PM > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: dba mgt woes > > So, > > I have recently become a dba manager and I have a small issue. > > I have a junior dba new to scripting, sql, plsql, oracle. This scenario > has happened a few times: > > -I request him to research something and recommend a certain route -he > immediately writes the recommendation to users -he then writes me asking > me how to do it, script it.... > -I assist him in finding where to go or if I have a script I give it to > him -he has trouble implementing the solution -he comes back to me with > "your process does not work" > -I discover it is how he has implemented it and correct it > > It is a frustrating experience and I wonder how to get him to take on > the task and see it through to the end. > > Any ideas? > > When I was a junior dba I would implement something and ususally go a > step farther - I would not go back to my boss instead chosing to "figure > it out myself". > > Now I know why management is called damanagement. It is the same issue > as to why children are convinced their parents are crazy. Who do you > think pushed them over the edge? > > Trying to be supportive, teach how to fish but didn't figure on this > interesting personality. > > Sigh. > -- > //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > > > -- > BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > ------------------------------------------------------ > Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 40200015) is spam: > Spam: > https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=s&i=40200015&m=a91f595a0 > 4ce > Not spam: > https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=n&i=40200015&m=a91f595a0 > 4ce > Forget vote: > https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=f&i=40200015&m=a91f595a0 > 4ce > ------------------------------------------------------ > END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > > -- > //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > -- ------------------------------ select standard_disclaimer from company_requirements where category = 'MANDATORY';