Hi Ryan >I think session EJBs and message driven EJBs may be useful. In some situations, eventually... >My concern is with entity beans. >don't see any advantage whatsoever with them over data=20 >access objects accept that 'they are in the >J2EE standard' and they have a catchy name. >They are alot harder to implement, code, and test. Exactly for this reason they are thinking to remove the current = implementation from the next standard: J2EE 3.0. The idea is that the = new standard should provide a much simpler way to do the same... Anyway my advice is to give a look to the following two books (which are = against EJB!): - Better, Faster, Lighter Java = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596006764/qid=3D1112734990/sr=3D2= -2/ref=3Dpd_bbs_b_2_2/102-8651625-9136957 - Expert One-on-One J2EE Development without EJB = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764558315/qid=3D1112734990/sr=3D2= -1/ref=3Dpd_bbs_b_2_1/102-8651625-9136957 Chris -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l